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You get a sense
of the scale and ambition
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of the Church of Scientology
from the footage of their galas.
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They look more like a
Hollywood awards show
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than anything recognizably spiritual.
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A religion created by a sci-fl writer
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and now run by a mysterious
and unapproachable leader
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whose disciples include
top Hollywood actors.
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For years my dream was that
I might be the first journalist
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to see another more positive
side of the church.
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Their commercials
promise enlightenment
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using techniques that combine
spirituality and science.
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With the ultimate aim of a planet
free from insanity, crime and war.
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The videos boast of the
church's global reach
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and followers, they say,
are in the millions.
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Watching their promotional films, I dreamed
of experiencing their practices first-hand.
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I made repeated requests
to be allowed inside
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but my approaches
were all turned down.
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Gradually I realised they were
never going to let me in.
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But inspired by their
religious film-making
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I began thinking of
another way inside
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that was still true to
the spirit of Scientology.
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I've been in touch with one of the most
prominent ex-members of Scientology.
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His name is Marty Rathbun
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and my hope is that he can help
me realise this idea I have.
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For many years he was one of the most
senior figures in the whole church.
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Their photos show him in uniform
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next to David Miscavige,
the church leader.
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And then in 2004 he left
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and started giving interviews about
the church and his role within it.
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I was basically Mr Fix-It
for Scientology for a number of...
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well, a couple of decades, frankly.
I mean, I was...
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Wherever there was a fire,
I was out there to put it out.
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Do you need a push?
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Maybe.
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The church now regards him
as deeply untrustworthy.
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Oh, this Louis,
he's a yoga master.
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But for more than twenty years
he was the consummate insider...
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It feels pretty secure.
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And he still believes in
aspects of Scientology.
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You want to just get some B roll?
Yeah.
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Have you driven in LA before, Louis?
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Er, I've been living in
LA for the last year.
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Get out of town.
Yeah. Where do you live?
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North Hobart.
Very close to the Celebrity Centre.
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I'll be darned.
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And we've flown him in from
Texas where he now lives
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and brought him back to
Scientology's birthplace
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and his old home, Los Angeles.
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I've got my written response
from the church.
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Oh, really?
I wanted to mention that.
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Okay.
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And what they mention
is that Mr Theroux had been in
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direct communication with and had
interviewed bitter anti-scientologist
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Marty Rathbun.
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Is that what poisoned them
against our production?
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Is that what closed the door
to us do you think?
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Or would they never have taken part?
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You can't film me.
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- Okay.
- We're not filming you.
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You are, you have the
camera in my face.
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Turn the camera that way.
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So what are you doing
the documentary about?
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It's about the Church of Scientology.
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Oh.
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You probably should interview her.
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Well, maybe we will, but we should
probably finish what we were...
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Yeah. We'll finish
what we're doing.
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I am an actress and -
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Well, we are in LA.
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Yeah. Well, no, I mean I've done over 45 films...
- Sure.
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In French and Spanish
and a lot of things.
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Okay, well, my name is Paz.
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Paz.
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- How do you spell that?
- Paz De La Huerte?
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Yes.
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That's great. Thank you so much.
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They sent her over.
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The church?
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Don't you think?
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No, they're not that sophisticated.
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Honey trap.
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They're not that sophisticated.
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You would have done
that in your day.
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No, I wouldn't have
done that in my day.
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The founder of Scientology,
L. Ron Hubbard
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was a writer of pulp fiction
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and in 1950 he published
a self-help book called Dianetics.
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It became the basis for an entire
religion teaching that we are all
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immortal spirits called Thetans,
who live multiple lifetimes.
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Using Scientology processes
we can become enlightened
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remember past lives and carry
all our present day memories
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into future lifetimes.
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Over the years Hubbard
won thousands of converts.
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Hello
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Hello.
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My name is David Miscavige
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and I'm very happy that you could all make
it to this important briefing this evening.
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And then in 1986 there was a gathering of
scientologists at the Hollywood Palladium
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and it was announced
that Hubbard had died.
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The body he had used
to facilitate his existence
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in this messed universe
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had ceased to be useful.
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And in fact had become
an impediment to the work
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he now must do
outside of its confines.
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The announcement was
made in this famous footage
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by a young man in his twenties
called David Miscavige
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and he has run
Scientology ever since
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and done so, according to his critics
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in an increasingly unpredictable
and volatile fashion.
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Joining us live tonight is David Miscavige
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whose formal title is Chairman of the Board
of the Religious Technology Centre.
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The organization which manages
Dianetics and Scientology.
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Mr Miscavige took over as
the head of Scientology in 1987
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following the death of the church's
founder, L. Ron Hubbard.
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In 1992 he spoke to
Ted Koppel the host of Nightline.
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It was an unusually
revealing encounter
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and to date, his only TV interview.
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So we've got actors coming in
to be David Miscavige
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and for me the idea
really is to kind of recreate...
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You know we can't
get the real Miscavige
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but we can create
our own Miscavige
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using lines from that rare
Ted Koppel interview
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to help Marty to cast him.
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I'm gonna lean heavily on Marty.
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I'm conscious it's his version
and it's seen in hindsight
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after an acrimonious
split from the church.
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- Okay.
- Hi, guys.
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Hi Chris.
How you doing?
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Hi, my name's Chris Gehrt.
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Shall I... I mean should I sit in,
what do you think?
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Shall I do a Koppel voice?
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- No.
- No. It's cheesy.
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- It's up to you, Louis, whatever you...
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I'd like to begin, Mr Miscavige,
with I guess the kind of broad question
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perhaps folks at home may be
asking themselves right now.
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Perhaps folks at home might be
asking themselves right now
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but let me be the
guinea pig for a moment.
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Mmm.
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See if you can explain to me why
I would want to be a scientologist.
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Because you care about
yourself and life itself...
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Because you care about - it's -
your life. Wait, hold on.
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Yourself and life itself.
Yeah, yeah.
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Scientology. The word means study
of life, study of knowledge.
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Er...
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and that's what it is.
It takes up all areas of life itself.
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Things that are integral and maxims.
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They're related to life
and very existence.
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Let me give you an example,
it's better if I take that
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because it's such
a broad-ranging subject.
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It's better if I take that because it
covers such a broad range of subjects.
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That's the area
of communication.
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Um, being able to communicate with the
world around you and everyone here.
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Good, good, good.
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I just, I want it feel, um,
as real as possible
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but I also want to get Marty back into
the headspace of where he was
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when he was inside the church.
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And we're using this
rare bit of footage
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because he was there in the
studio at Miscavige's side
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when it was recorded.
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Thank you so much.
Thank you.
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That's not Miscavige.
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I'm just... I'm serious, you know. All these
guys that you'd like, they're no good.
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Well, no, but he actually...
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But this is not a minor
game we're playing here.
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Every man woman and child.
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Their immortal future
depends on us succeeding.
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This is the attitude.
This is what you're missing.
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You've got to have that intensity. Okay?
Because this is not some minor game.
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I thought he had that.
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This is dying.
Not just dying this lifetime.
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It's dying and dying and dying and dying
and being a smouldering ember
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that floats through space.
Hurtling through space.
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Literally that?
It's literally that if we don't succeed.
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Is that something he would say?
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Absolutely,
it's right in the policy letters
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in keeping Scientology working.
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We'd rather have you
dead than incapable.
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That's the training attitude.
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That was your mind-set.
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Yeah.
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For 27 years.
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Well, for 22 years.
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First 5 years I was pretty laid back.
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Scary, huh?
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Makes you wonder
what I'm capable of, right?
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Little bit.
Yeah.
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I'll tell you what,
let's stick with me, okay?
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So far in life I haven't had a whole
lot of trouble communicating.
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Now see if you can
communicate to me what it is
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that you're going to be able to do for me
that makes me a better communicator.
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Well, number one, I would never try to
talk you into that Scientology is for you.
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You see, that's the
funny thing about this
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as if I'm now going to give a sales
pitch to you on Scientology.
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- So let's look at it this way.
- See that edge...
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he's got that down. He's pissed.
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And... but he's not overtly showing it.
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But he's combatting with me.
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If you want me -
if you want to see something else
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throw any direction at me and
I'll just give you another.
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Get up and get in my face
and put your finger in my chest
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and let me know that my problem
is that I buy my own bullshit.
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- Okay.
- Okay, go ahead.
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Who are you to come in here
and tell me that what I stand for
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and what I have learned...
what I have learned
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is the right way.
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Look, you people are
programmed and sold.
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Listen to me,
you slimy little cocksucker.
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You fuck up one more time, I will rip
your fucking face off. You got that?
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Get with me, motherfucker.
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Get personal.
Put... dress the guy down.
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I don't want you just to agree with me.
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Call him a four-eyed
son of a bitch cocksucker.
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You're a four-eyed son of a bitch.
You cocksucker.
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I mean, you had no idea what you were
doing from the beginning and I knew that.
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Louder.
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You had no idea what you were doing
from the beginning and I knew that.
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Shove him against the wall.
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Son of bitch, you listen to me.
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This is really good.
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Okay. You're going to fucking
do what I tell you next time
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and you're going to
actually listen to me.
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Louis, this is really good.
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- From the start.
- Okay, out.
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Okay.
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You're a cook-sucking loser.
You're a piece of shit.
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I'm telling you what you're worth.
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I'm telling you what you've
been doing with your life.
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Don't look away.
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He's got it, he's got it.
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This is David Miscavige, right here.
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Where were you getting that from?
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I tap into anger very easily.
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And righteousness.
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Yeah. That's exactly
what it is. It's a righteous anger.
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That was like being there. Yeah.
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Thank you so much, thanks again.
Take care. Okay, cheers.
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Um, I'm aware that we're going
to the violence quite quickly
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and to this sort of,
the negative characterization.
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But I don't know if we're gonna
get the sense of why for 22 years
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you were working hand-in-glove
in a devoted fashion with that guy.
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Well, as you said, it was kind of...
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you thought it was kind of nice having
your face ripped off up against the wall.
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Yeah, but that was play acting.
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I know, so what's the difference?
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The orthodoxy in the Scientology religion
so that it forever remains faithful...
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Good.
247
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He's indignant but he's also
trying to make his case
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to an impartial person, like a judge, right?
- Okay. Yeah.
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Okay, shall we go?
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Go.
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I am, and since 1987 have been
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the Chairman of the Board of
Religious Technology Centre.
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A section 501 tax exempt
non-profit religious corporation
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whose sole purpose is to maintain
the orthodoxy of the Scientology religion.
255
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I mean, I would take it down a notch.
256
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Okay.
- Because I think that went a little too conversational.
257
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Yeah.
258
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Most scientologists would
never meet David Miscavige.
259
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They have normal jobs.
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They might volunteer in the church's
bookshops, which they call Orgs.
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They don't wear uniforms,
and in LA many of them are actors.
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I grew in Boston.
Small-town boy with big-town dreams.
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So I decided, you know, to just, like,
take the leap to Hollywood
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and become an actor.
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I didn't really have, like,
a plan in mind per Se.
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I just kind of came here and
just hoped that I would
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you know, find my
way in the business.
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So I picked up a copy
of Backstage newspaper
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which is the trade newspaper
that actors subscribe to
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that lists all the different auditions
in town and all the different classes.
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And there's a huge ad -
how to break into the industry
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teaching you all the ins and outs
of how to make it in Hollywood.
273
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So I took the bus up
to the Celebrity Centre
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and I walk in and we went into their theatre
room to watch their orientation film.
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Right this instant, you are at the
threshold of your next trillion years.
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You will live it in shivering
agonized darkness.
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Or you will live it
triumphantly in the light.
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The choice is yours.
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That's the one where he says
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'If at the end of this, you're not
convinced that this is for you
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you're free to walk away.'
282
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It would be stupid
but you can do it.
283
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You can also dive off a bridge
or blow your brains out.
284
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Blow your brains out, yeah.
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That is your choice.
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When you're a new actor
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and you come to somewhere like the
Celebrity Centre and they're telling you
288
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'We can help make you someone
like the new Tom Cruise'
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you know, you're like 'Oh wow.
That's what I want.'
290
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You know, they just tell you,
you know, it's a course away.
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Your happiness is a course away.
292
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If I see someone on the street,
at the bus stop
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you'd go up to them and
just try to be their friend.
294
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Give them one of these?
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Give them one of these booklets and say,
hey check out my church.
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And if I get you to sign up
for services it helps me
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because I get a 10%
commission on whatever you buy.
298
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They say it brainwashes people.
299
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It is, it's mind numbing.
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No, no, no, no, no I'm doing the...
301
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They say it brainwashes people.
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Do I look like I'm brainwashed to you?
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I'm your neighbour.
I'm your best friend.
304
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Scientology is an applied
religious philosophy.
305
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It's not a religion you just sit down
and pray at an altar about.
306
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This is something that you actually
apply every single day in your life.
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Tools to improve yourself.
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- Pass them here.
- Oh my God, they're really heavy.
309
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There's apparently 1 million spoken
and transcribed L. Ron Hubbard words
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in all these books.
311
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But you paid for all of them.
I paid for all of them.
312
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How much did you
pay for all your materials?
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For all the book course materials?
314
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Everything, just for the whole...
the services, books, everything.
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Everything? Fifty grand.
About fifty thousand dollars.
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Fifty thousand dollars.
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This is a simple, er, ohmmeter.
318
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And there is a very
slight amount of electricity
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actually passing
through your body
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although it's imperceptible.
321
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When I address thought
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that has, er, some trauma connected
with it or some anxiety connected with it
323
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I get a particular type of read.
324
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It's a device that measures thought.
325
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Alright, is there a particular
area of your life that, erm...
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fixates your attention
or you feel is a... That, there.
327
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- Did you get one?
- Yeah.
328
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Can I answer?
Please.
329
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I'm thinking about a time
when I was about 11 or 12.
330
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The most basic practice
in Scientology is auditing.
331
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It's a form of counseling using a
primitive lie detector called an E-meter.
332
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Okay.
333
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So, earlier similar problems.
334
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Basically you talk about memories
and traumas called engrams
335
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until they no longer
register on the machine.
336
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Interesting.
337
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Your needle's floating.
338
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Which is good, right?
That means I've cleared something.
339
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I dunno, do you feel like
you've kind of realised something?
340
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I feel like I've made a connection, yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
341
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That's basically what a session is.
342
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So, how does this
relate to Scientology
343
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and this idea of being clear?
344
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Okay. You desensitize
a lot of these things
345
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like this little thing that
gave you a little bit of angst.
346
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I mean, there's tones of things that
any given individual has like that.
347
00:22:08,838 --> 00:22:10,888
Got it.
That is clear, basically.
348
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Though it's a religion,
scientologists don't worship a god.
349
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Instead, what they offer is a highly
detailed step-by-step program
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of classes and courses.
each with a price tag
351
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and all of it laid out in an
extremely complex looking diagram.
352
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They call the teachings
religious technology or tech.
353
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As you advance up the bridge you
deal with engrams from past lifetimes.
354
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At the very top are the OT levels.
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OT stands for Operating Thetan
356
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and the possibility of
extra-sensory abilities.
357
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The most dedicated believers
can join Scientology's clergy
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the Sea Org.
359
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You can see them in church
photos, styled like a navy.
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Their glossy recruitment posters
depict them as being like warrior monks.
361
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They sign billion-year contracts
committing all their future lifetimes
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to saving Earth from ruin,.
363
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And while there may be as many as
25,000 scientologists in the U.S.
364
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only a fraction has signed up
as members of the Sea Org.
365
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And it's within the Sea Org
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that the most controversial practices
are alleged to have taken place.
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We're going down to
a little town called Hemet
368
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and close by Hemet
is the headquarters
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of Scientology -
a legendary location.
370
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And we're going there
with Marc Headley
371
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who worked and lived
there for fifteen years
372
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from 1990 to 2005
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when he 'blew', which he means
he left in an unauthorized fashion.
374
00:24:06,213 --> 00:24:10,847
He later sued the church for keeping
him against his will but he lost the case.
375
00:24:11,630 --> 00:24:15,339
And, like Marty, he's viewed by
the church as an embittered and a liar.
376
00:24:16,255 --> 00:24:21,055
You know, and you know we've
been filming with Marty Rathbun?
377
00:24:21,088 --> 00:24:22,677
Yes, I was aware of that, yes.
378
00:24:22,713 --> 00:24:25,095
And you know him, don't you?
Yes, I do.
379
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Basically, it's where
David Miscavige mainly works.
380
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It's where he runs
Scientology from.
381
00:24:32,005 --> 00:24:36,058
And it's where allegedly in
the years running up to 2005
382
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there was a reign of terror.
383
00:24:38,505 --> 00:24:42,048
There was actually
a time in the mid-1990s
384
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when I was being accused of
myself being violent with somebody
385
00:24:50,005 --> 00:24:52,257
of one of my own crew.
386
00:24:52,713 --> 00:24:56,932
And I was being interrogated on
an E-meter about this incident
387
00:24:57,713 --> 00:25:00,344
and Marty was actually
standing behind the girl
388
00:25:00,380 --> 00:25:04,598
that was doing the interrogation
in the little auditing room with us.
389
00:25:05,171 --> 00:25:07,755
And, um, and it just
kept going on and on
390
00:25:07,796 --> 00:25:10,558
and she'd say 'Did you do this?'
I said 'No, I didn't do that.'
391
00:25:10,588 --> 00:25:12,389
'And did you do this?'
'No, I didn't do that.'
392
00:25:13,046 --> 00:25:16,673
And then Marty actually just said 'Listen,
let's just take a break for a second.'
393
00:25:17,338 --> 00:25:18,927
And he cold-cocked me.
394
00:25:19,546 --> 00:25:22,557
Just boom. And he's a big guy,
he's much bigger than I am.
395
00:25:22,588 --> 00:25:23,512
He punched you?
396
00:25:23,546 --> 00:25:25,715
He punched me square in jaw
397
00:25:25,755 --> 00:25:28,635
out of nowhere, I wasn't expecting it,
it was just boom.
398
00:25:29,130 --> 00:25:32,306
And then he goes 'Good, now go back in
there and tell her what she wants to hear.'
399
00:25:43,588 --> 00:25:44,974
This is it.
400
00:25:45,005 --> 00:25:47,090
Yeah, this is it. We're there.
401
00:25:48,005 --> 00:25:52,307
This building up on the right here
402
00:25:52,338 --> 00:25:56,759
that is the cinematography studio.
It's called the cine-castle.
403
00:25:56,796 --> 00:26:00,423
So they make promotional
videos for Scientology in there?
404
00:26:00,463 --> 00:26:01,755
Films and videos.
405
00:26:01,796 --> 00:26:03,597
It looks like you
could walk quite close.
406
00:26:03,630 --> 00:26:06,131
If we did, they'd know.
I mean, they know we're here right now.
407
00:26:06,171 --> 00:26:07,593
There's cameras right there.
408
00:26:07,630 --> 00:26:11,220
We have their attention.
No doubt, one hundred per cent.
409
00:26:12,380 --> 00:26:14,465
So I'm going to take
my lead from you, Marc.
410
00:26:14,505 --> 00:26:17,266
You think this is a good place to stop
or maybe not... are you okay?
411
00:26:17,296 --> 00:26:19,097
I'm fine.
You just went...
412
00:26:20,380 --> 00:26:21,849
Is it stress or are you just, er...?
413
00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:23,053
No, no. I'm fine.
You're good.
414
00:26:23,088 --> 00:26:23,882
I'm good.
415
00:26:23,921 --> 00:26:26,469
You're not getting flashbacks?
No, no. I'm not getting flashbacks.
416
00:26:28,588 --> 00:26:32,262
It's called Int Base because it's the
international headquarters of Scientology
417
00:26:32,296 --> 00:26:36,598
but it's also called Gold Base because
it's the Headquarters of Gold Studios
418
00:26:36,630 --> 00:26:42,058
and Gold Studios was a production facility
that L. Ron Hubbard himself created
419
00:26:42,546 --> 00:26:47,014
churning out epic Hollywood
style promotional videos.
420
00:26:47,338 --> 00:26:50,882
When the history
of this planet is finally told
421
00:26:50,921 --> 00:26:54,097
it will be a tale of exalted triumph
422
00:26:54,130 --> 00:26:57,638
that forever changed
the destiny of Earth.
423
00:26:59,088 --> 00:27:03,307
We are the IAS.
424
00:27:06,005 --> 00:27:10,342
And Marc was well acquainted with
a lot of these very dramatic films
425
00:27:10,380 --> 00:27:12,134
and how they were made
426
00:27:12,171 --> 00:27:15,182
because he was working
on them as a producer.
427
00:27:16,463 --> 00:27:19,011
- Well, you show the best spot.
- Yeah.
428
00:27:27,755 --> 00:27:29,177
- Is it this one?
- Yeah.
429
00:27:29,213 --> 00:27:30,386
Whose land is this then?
430
00:27:30,421 --> 00:27:32,092
This is public. This is public land.
431
00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:38,347
So you can see this is the
razor wire that's always talked about.
432
00:27:38,380 --> 00:27:41,058
See, they don't have it on
the main highway road
433
00:27:41,088 --> 00:27:43,305
but as soon as you
get off the highway
434
00:27:43,338 --> 00:27:47,178
then there's razor wire around the
entirety of the property, just like that.
435
00:27:48,088 --> 00:27:50,257
And you can see the
high-power floodlights.
436
00:27:50,630 --> 00:27:54,422
You can see the motion sensors, those
little black things near every fence post.
437
00:27:54,463 --> 00:27:56,264
Those are called fence shakers.
438
00:27:56,296 --> 00:28:00,089
So somebody climbs over
the fence from the inside
439
00:28:00,130 --> 00:28:02,844
that sets off an alarm in
that main security booth
440
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:07,135
and all those flood lights all around
the entire property turn on
441
00:28:07,505 --> 00:28:10,716
so they can easily locate someone
who's trying to escape.
442
00:28:14,338 --> 00:28:15,345
Let's hop out.
443
00:28:24,546 --> 00:28:26,881
You lived here for fifteen years.
444
00:28:26,921 --> 00:28:27,845
Fifteen years.
445
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:31,091
Do you feel now, looking back,
that you were kept against your will?
446
00:28:31,796 --> 00:28:35,672
I think that I was
a prisoner in my own...
447
00:28:36,255 --> 00:28:39,182
I was keeping myself here
based on what they told me.
448
00:28:39,463 --> 00:28:43,054
I knew that there would be
consequences of me leaving
449
00:28:43,088 --> 00:28:47,722
that would make it so it would be very
hard for me to live outside of this world.
450
00:28:48,463 --> 00:28:51,841
Those consequences
became so miniscule
451
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:54,807
compared to the terror that
I was living through here
452
00:28:55,088 --> 00:28:59,556
that it got to the point where I would
rather be dead than to live here.
453
00:29:02,380 --> 00:29:05,260
They recite events that never took place.
454
00:29:05,588 --> 00:29:08,682
I am left in a position of
my word against their word
455
00:29:08,713 --> 00:29:12,138
which is precisely the effect
I feel they have tried to create.
456
00:29:12,505 --> 00:29:17,554
Their efforts are orchestrated
pursuant to a well-used litigation strategy
457
00:29:17,588 --> 00:29:19,591
that has been employed
against L. Ron Hubbard
458
00:29:19,630 --> 00:29:22,557
various churches of Scientology,
and me, for years.
459
00:29:22,588 --> 00:29:26,132
Namely the gathering of
apostates in search of money
460
00:29:26,171 --> 00:29:31,469
who are then used as a travelling roadshow
to present packaged yet false testimony
461
00:29:31,505 --> 00:29:35,262
concerning scientologists,
churches of Scientology and me.
462
00:29:36,713 --> 00:29:37,804
That was very good.
463
00:29:38,213 --> 00:29:39,718
Did you not think
that was very good?
464
00:29:43,380 --> 00:29:47,884
Hubbard understood early on that he could
spread his religious ideas using actors.
465
00:29:49,463 --> 00:29:53,421
He wrote screenplays and liked being
photographed on set, directing.
466
00:29:55,046 --> 00:29:59,882
And as early as 1955 he launched
something called Project Celebrity
467
00:29:59,921 --> 00:30:02,766
a list of high-profile people
he hoped to recruit.
468
00:30:03,380 --> 00:30:04,387
James Stewart.
469
00:30:04,921 --> 00:30:05,929
Greta Garbo.
470
00:30:06,255 --> 00:30:07,345
Danny Kaye.
471
00:30:07,963 --> 00:30:12,218
And the practices of Scientology
are like acting class techniques.
472
00:30:12,838 --> 00:30:15,220
You're learning a new role in life.
473
00:30:24,921 --> 00:30:29,389
It's an exciting day today because
we are here to cast Tom Cruise.
474
00:30:29,421 --> 00:30:32,716
He's obviously the most famous
scientologist in the world.
475
00:30:32,755 --> 00:30:36,973
In fact, probably a lot of people,
all they know about Scientology
476
00:30:37,005 --> 00:30:39,506
is that Tom Cruise is a member.
477
00:30:41,088 --> 00:30:43,885
And Tom Cruise is best friends
with David Miscavige.
478
00:30:44,255 --> 00:30:47,597
It was widely reported that
David Miscavige was best man
479
00:30:47,630 --> 00:30:50,131
at Tom Cruise's wedding
to Katie Holmes.
480
00:30:51,088 --> 00:30:55,473
The other thing is that Marc was involved
in making the promotional videos
481
00:30:55,505 --> 00:30:59,890
and one of the most famous and controversial
promotional videos of Scientology
482
00:30:59,921 --> 00:31:04,058
was one involving
Tom Cruise 'On Tom Cruise.'
483
00:31:05,921 --> 00:31:08,090
I think it's a privilege to
call yourself a scientologist
484
00:31:08,130 --> 00:31:09,682
and it's something
that you have to earn.
485
00:31:10,088 --> 00:31:12,506
And... because a scientologist does.
486
00:31:15,921 --> 00:31:20,472
And so we're going to use quotes from
that footage to help us cast our actor
487
00:31:20,505 --> 00:31:23,183
and to understand what
motivates Tom Cruise.
488
00:31:23,213 --> 00:31:24,007
Got it.
489
00:31:25,296 --> 00:31:26,257
Action.
490
00:31:26,296 --> 00:31:29,342
I think it's a privilege to
call yourself a scientologist
491
00:31:29,380 --> 00:31:30,766
because it's something
that you have to earn.
492
00:31:30,796 --> 00:31:33,179
It's a privilege to call
yourself a scientologist.
493
00:31:33,213 --> 00:31:35,430
It's something that
you have to earn.
494
00:31:35,671 --> 00:31:37,757
Because a scientologist does.
495
00:31:37,796 --> 00:31:38,590
Cut.
496
00:31:38,630 --> 00:31:40,715
This is not a bad place just
to do a quick bit of background.
497
00:31:40,755 --> 00:31:44,843
How... what level is
Tom Cruise at in Scientology?
498
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:47,807
And what... is that high?
499
00:31:47,838 --> 00:31:49,592
Yeah, the only one higher is OT 8.
500
00:31:49,921 --> 00:31:53,299
When he gets to that next one,
there's nothing he can do that's higher.
501
00:31:53,338 --> 00:31:55,804
- And each one costs money, right?
- Yeah, yeah.
502
00:31:55,838 --> 00:31:57,758
To get all the way to top
it can cost anywhere from
503
00:31:57,796 --> 00:32:00,428
half a million to 2 million dollars.
504
00:32:00,463 --> 00:32:03,888
So for me it really is KSW.
505
00:32:04,421 --> 00:32:06,839
For me it really is KSW.
506
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:08,171
And, er...
507
00:32:08,213 --> 00:32:09,599
I don't mince words
with that, you know.
508
00:32:09,630 --> 00:32:12,047
For me you know the pulse is just...
509
00:32:12,088 --> 00:32:13,131
Really it's just gone...
510
00:32:15,838 --> 00:32:16,762
Boy.
511
00:32:16,796 --> 00:32:19,297
Yeah.
Do you wanna tell him what KSW is?
512
00:32:19,338 --> 00:32:23,261
Sure. KSW is
Keeping Scientology Working.
513
00:32:23,796 --> 00:32:25,348
And Keeping Scientology Working
514
00:32:25,380 --> 00:32:30,014
is basically like obliterating anything
that doesn't have to do with Scientology.
515
00:32:30,046 --> 00:32:31,256
And keeping it working.
516
00:32:31,713 --> 00:32:34,296
Any time somebody does
something in Scientology
517
00:32:34,338 --> 00:32:36,341
that's not one hundred
per cent Scientology
518
00:32:36,380 --> 00:32:40,801
you crush that person so that
they do not ever do that again.
519
00:32:40,921 --> 00:32:46,136
So for me it really is KSW. It's just
like... it's something that, er...
520
00:32:48,505 --> 00:32:50,389
I don't mince words with that.
521
00:32:50,421 --> 00:32:52,969
You know with anything
that LHR does
522
00:32:53,005 --> 00:32:55,553
but that policy to me has really gone...
523
00:32:55,588 --> 00:32:56,299
Boy.
524
00:32:56,338 --> 00:32:59,432
I... There's a time I went through
and I said 'You know what?'
525
00:33:01,755 --> 00:33:04,256
When I read it I was just like...
Can you pause it?
526
00:33:04,963 --> 00:33:07,678
- We just paused that at random, right?
- Yeah.
527
00:33:07,713 --> 00:33:11,056
I mean, if you saw him across the
breakfast table looking at you like that...
528
00:33:12,213 --> 00:33:14,382
Like, that's not, you know,
pass the mustard. That...
529
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:19,470
In that KSW policy,
L. Ron Hubbard says
530
00:33:19,505 --> 00:33:22,432
'We want you to have a
dedicated glare in your eyes.'
531
00:33:22,755 --> 00:33:24,971
But, you know, I feel like
there's a bigger question outside...
532
00:33:25,005 --> 00:33:27,008
what, like, I don't understand...
533
00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:30,381
why does he think
this is so important?
534
00:33:30,838 --> 00:33:34,547
Because Scientology's the only way
that the world is ever going to survive.
535
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:38,637
He thinks that without
Scientology, what would happen?
536
00:33:38,671 --> 00:33:40,093
Charred ruins.
537
00:33:40,130 --> 00:33:44,385
When the day's over, the only thing
that's workable is Scientology.
538
00:33:44,421 --> 00:33:46,010
Workable as what?
539
00:33:46,046 --> 00:33:49,092
As a technology,
as an organizational technology.
540
00:33:49,130 --> 00:33:53,006
As a spiritual technology.
It's a universal solvent
541
00:33:53,046 --> 00:33:58,012
that will handle all of the world's
problems and the universe's problems.
542
00:33:58,546 --> 00:34:02,055
They said 'So, like, have you met an SP?'
543
00:34:05,213 --> 00:34:07,382
Maybe one day it will
actually be like that.
544
00:34:07,421 --> 00:34:09,506
Maybe one day it'll be wow, like, SPs.
545
00:34:10,046 --> 00:34:12,345
They'll just read about those
in the history books, you know.
546
00:34:13,588 --> 00:34:15,591
Do you wanna tell
Caleb what an SP is?
547
00:34:15,963 --> 00:34:18,724
If you bad mouth Scientology
or speak out against Scientology
548
00:34:18,755 --> 00:34:21,765
you're labelled a
suppressive person.
549
00:34:22,130 --> 00:34:24,547
And there's actually
a policy within Scientology
550
00:34:24,588 --> 00:34:27,883
that says that how you
handle a suppressive person
551
00:34:27,921 --> 00:34:29,971
or how you deal with
a suppressive person
552
00:34:30,005 --> 00:34:32,257
is to ruin him utterly.
553
00:34:32,296 --> 00:34:35,093
It's PTSSP, how to shatter suppression.
554
00:34:35,130 --> 00:34:37,547
Confront Shatter Suppression.
You apply and it's like - boom.
555
00:34:37,796 --> 00:34:38,969
Because they don't come up to me.
556
00:34:39,005 --> 00:34:40,474
No, because they don't come up to me
557
00:34:40,755 --> 00:34:42,390
and... and say that.
558
00:34:42,421 --> 00:34:46,474
Not to my face, you know.
Or anywhere in my vicinity.
559
00:34:46,505 --> 00:34:48,757
Where, they can be -
560
00:34:48,796 --> 00:34:51,842
Confronting.
They just don't do it.
561
00:34:52,296 --> 00:34:53,173
Why not?
562
00:34:54,588 --> 00:34:55,631
Because they're afraid.
563
00:34:56,796 --> 00:34:57,673
Afraid of?
564
00:34:58,380 --> 00:35:00,632
Of what they might
find out about themselves.
565
00:35:01,005 --> 00:35:03,766
- Yeah, see, that's not in there.
- We were just improv-ing.
566
00:35:03,796 --> 00:35:07,636
No, no, I know, but what he said
is exactly true.
567
00:35:07,921 --> 00:35:09,213
Why did you say that?
568
00:35:09,255 --> 00:35:13,048
It's a fear of whatever
but usually themself
569
00:35:13,088 --> 00:35:15,387
Wait, are you in character now
or is this just you?
570
00:35:15,421 --> 00:35:16,547
Little bit of both.
571
00:35:16,588 --> 00:35:19,349
I was going to say, he's getting
really scary on me right now.
572
00:35:19,380 --> 00:35:21,797
I mean, if the intent
behind it is to help people
573
00:35:21,838 --> 00:35:23,888
then I mean there should
be no harm in that.
574
00:35:23,921 --> 00:35:25,676
- Very good.
- Great.
575
00:35:25,713 --> 00:35:27,053
That was nice.
Thank you for that.
576
00:35:27,088 --> 00:35:28,344
Not a problem.
577
00:35:31,255 --> 00:35:33,056
You guys have yourself
a wonderful afternoon.
578
00:35:33,088 --> 00:35:34,889
- You too. Very good.
- Thanks. You to.
579
00:36:02,796 --> 00:36:04,597
What is the license plate again?
580
00:36:12,630 --> 00:36:15,640
After four hours of the
same oar being behind you
581
00:36:17,255 --> 00:36:19,092
it starts to look a bit suspicious.
582
00:36:24,005 --> 00:36:26,683
And it's a white pickup truck.
A Tacoma.
583
00:36:29,088 --> 00:36:30,558
He's right behind us now.
584
00:36:32,130 --> 00:36:34,382
His windshield's quite dark, isn't it?
585
00:36:36,380 --> 00:36:37,932
Nothing suspicious about that.
586
00:36:42,838 --> 00:36:44,509
Well, there's no question, is there?
587
00:36:45,088 --> 00:36:47,554
He's a private investigator.
588
00:36:53,296 --> 00:36:55,679
What you've got to remember is
this is a church.
589
00:36:56,755 --> 00:36:58,840
I mean, that's the thing, isn't it?
590
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:02,056
It's just not like any church
that you can really think of.
591
00:37:14,796 --> 00:37:16,006
I can't see him.
592
00:37:16,296 --> 00:37:17,683
I think we've lost them.
593
00:37:36,671 --> 00:37:40,096
So this is a letter that was
forwarded to me from, um...
594
00:37:40,921 --> 00:37:43,884
one of our producers,
and, er, it's...
595
00:37:44,630 --> 00:37:49,880
from the lawyers, Carter Ruck,
retained by the Church of Scientology.
596
00:37:50,255 --> 00:37:55,138
So evidently, um, they've got
wind of, er, what we're doing.
597
00:37:55,171 --> 00:37:57,340
And they say, um...
598
00:37:57,380 --> 00:38:00,342
'Our client is aware that Mr Theroux
has auditioned for actors
599
00:38:00,380 --> 00:38:01,932
to play a young David Miscavige.'
600
00:38:02,421 --> 00:38:05,882
They don't know that we've also
auditioned actors to play Tom Cruise.
601
00:38:05,921 --> 00:38:07,047
But um...
602
00:38:08,463 --> 00:38:10,098
'In relation to the auditions
603
00:38:10,421 --> 00:38:13,432
our client's information is that
Mr Theroux filmed these
604
00:38:13,463 --> 00:38:16,722
with Marty Rathbun in
attendance and advising.
605
00:38:17,255 --> 00:38:18,890
This is most concerning.'
606
00:38:19,296 --> 00:38:23,598
And so, how do they know
that Marty was at the casting?
607
00:38:24,338 --> 00:38:26,672
Was one of the actors, conceivably...
608
00:38:26,713 --> 00:38:29,972
Did he put the word out,
tell people in his circle?
609
00:38:30,005 --> 00:38:33,963
And did that get back to the church?
Or was one of the actors a scientologist?
610
00:38:34,338 --> 00:38:37,348
Or was there someone on the inside
who was somehow a mole?
611
00:38:41,505 --> 00:38:44,716
- Or we were followed.
- Or we were followed.
612
00:38:56,380 --> 00:38:58,513
So you know we're
going to see Tom De Vocht?
613
00:38:58,546 --> 00:38:59,388
Yes, sir.
614
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:04,764
And he is a, um...
615
00:39:07,005 --> 00:39:11,757
another embittered and
disgruntled defrocked apostate.
616
00:39:13,005 --> 00:39:14,012
Another?
617
00:39:14,505 --> 00:39:16,176
Well, in addition to you.
618
00:39:18,088 --> 00:39:21,015
Why would you call me
what the church calls me?
619
00:39:22,755 --> 00:39:25,635
Er, I was, er, I was...
Do I look embittered?
620
00:39:26,255 --> 00:39:27,973
I couldn't care less, Louis.
621
00:39:29,046 --> 00:39:33,514
Embittered is last adjective
that would apply to me.
622
00:39:33,546 --> 00:39:36,224
I'm way beyond embittered,
I don't care.
623
00:39:36,255 --> 00:39:37,511
Hey, hey, hey.
624
00:39:43,130 --> 00:39:44,801
Guys, this in Erin, by the way.
625
00:39:44,838 --> 00:39:45,964
How do you do? Louis.
626
00:39:46,005 --> 00:39:47,723
Louis.
Erin, nice to meet you.
627
00:39:48,130 --> 00:39:50,298
Are you Tom's other half,
could we say?
628
00:39:50,338 --> 00:39:52,009
We're business partners.
We're business partners.
629
00:39:52,046 --> 00:39:53,552
Really? What are you guys doing?
630
00:39:53,588 --> 00:39:56,847
A lot of people described David
Miscavige as a sort of an aloof figure
631
00:39:56,880 --> 00:40:01,964
but I've heard that you were
quite tight with David Miscavige.
632
00:40:02,546 --> 00:40:06,469
Yeah. I mean, we became pretty...
It depends how you look at it.
633
00:40:06,505 --> 00:40:10,095
You know, tight with David Miscavige
isn't really possible, I don't think.
634
00:40:10,463 --> 00:40:14,137
- But, we did get along and he did...
- He liked you?
635
00:40:15,505 --> 00:40:18,716
I think what really happens is
he may or may not like you
636
00:40:18,755 --> 00:40:22,429
but he uses you
until you're fucking used up.
637
00:40:22,755 --> 00:40:24,840
And then he chops your head
off and everybody's gone.
638
00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:26,681
- And it's... it happens.
- It's a pattern.
639
00:40:26,713 --> 00:40:28,597
It is a pattern,
it happens to everybody.
640
00:40:28,630 --> 00:40:31,924
The guy... I mean, it soared you,
you thought 'What the hell?'
641
00:40:32,255 --> 00:40:35,348
I played backgammon with him
and I'd make a point to lose.
642
00:40:36,755 --> 00:40:38,639
- I mean, it was...
- Why'?
643
00:40:38,671 --> 00:40:40,840
And I got good at it,
by the way, um...
644
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:42,053
Because he had to.
645
00:40:42,088 --> 00:40:45,383
Because he... if you... if he felt at all
that you were more popular
646
00:40:45,421 --> 00:40:49,593
or better in any way
or anything, he'd flip.
647
00:40:50,005 --> 00:40:51,391
And he could flip like that.
648
00:40:52,338 --> 00:40:54,092
Then you spend a little time up there.
649
00:40:54,505 --> 00:40:58,463
The guy's got somebody, I'm sure
you know this, recording him 24/7.
650
00:40:58,505 --> 00:41:00,922
Even when we were
sitting there drinking scotch
651
00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:04,013
tape recorders down and
everything's being recorded.
652
00:41:04,046 --> 00:41:06,096
Even if you were
just saying, um...
653
00:41:06,130 --> 00:41:08,429
If we were playing backgammon,
that damn thing was rolling.
654
00:41:08,463 --> 00:41:10,548
Why?
Um, you shocked by all this?
655
00:41:12,338 --> 00:41:16,889
You're on record as saying
that you saw him, er, beat people.
656
00:41:16,921 --> 00:41:18,391
Yeah. It's unbelievable.
657
00:41:18,421 --> 00:41:23,056
In the real world, you'd go to jail
if you did something like that.
658
00:41:23,088 --> 00:41:25,506
But what I don't
understand is, um...
659
00:41:25,546 --> 00:41:28,261
so... but you seem like a
normal reasonable person
660
00:41:28,296 --> 00:41:31,923
and Marty's fairly
normal and reasonable.
661
00:41:31,963 --> 00:41:34,890
And there are other
people there, and why...
662
00:41:34,921 --> 00:41:37,766
How does someone get
away with behaving in that way?
663
00:41:37,796 --> 00:41:39,348
This is the only thing
I can tell you.
664
00:41:39,380 --> 00:41:41,963
You got people who wrap
bombs around themselves
665
00:41:42,005 --> 00:41:45,051
fly planes into buildings.
It's the same thing.
666
00:41:45,088 --> 00:41:49,307
You believe so much in that
technology or so much in whatever.
667
00:41:49,338 --> 00:41:51,258
They can convince you of anything.
668
00:41:52,213 --> 00:41:54,891
When I got interviewed
by the FBI they said
669
00:41:56,255 --> 00:41:59,466
'Would you help us?
If we went in to Gold up there
670
00:41:59,505 --> 00:42:01,342
busted open the
gates and went in
671
00:42:01,963 --> 00:42:04,546
and, er, would you show
us where things are?'
672
00:42:04,588 --> 00:42:07,171
I said 'Abso-fuoking-lutely,
but you're wasting your time.'
673
00:42:07,213 --> 00:42:09,133
After I told them the same thing
674
00:42:09,171 --> 00:42:12,052
they went to him to cross-check
and we'd never talked.
675
00:42:12,088 --> 00:42:14,221
They said 'What are talking about?'
And I said 'You're going to walk in
676
00:42:14,255 --> 00:42:18,391
and you might find terrible situations
and every one of them are going to go
677
00:42:18,421 --> 00:42:21,099
"No, no, no, this is the way we want it."
And at that point you're done.
678
00:42:21,130 --> 00:42:22,090
They can't do anything.'
679
00:42:23,005 --> 00:42:25,553
What, so they were...
they thought they could do a raid
680
00:42:25,588 --> 00:42:27,426
and liberate some
of the church members?
681
00:42:27,463 --> 00:42:30,426
They telling you -
Do a raid and liberate and find
682
00:42:30,796 --> 00:42:32,432
you know, the crazy shit going on
683
00:42:32,463 --> 00:42:33,719
I mean it's... it's insane.
684
00:42:33,755 --> 00:42:38,969
It is the most destructive
quote-unquote religion, cult
685
00:42:39,005 --> 00:42:41,221
I have ever read anything
about or anything.
686
00:42:41,255 --> 00:42:43,507
It is a fucking nightmare.
687
00:42:44,713 --> 00:42:49,596
It really is. And I see people today, I meet with
people who still believe in a little bit of it
688
00:42:49,630 --> 00:42:52,841
and I just want to shake them and go
'You've got to fucking stop.'
689
00:42:53,713 --> 00:42:55,384
It's a crock of shit.
690
00:43:31,963 --> 00:43:33,598
We've come back to Hemet with Marc.
691
00:43:34,213 --> 00:43:36,382
And we'll be getting
some shots of the base.
692
00:43:37,046 --> 00:43:42,261
But I've also decided to drop off a reply to
the latest letter from the church's lawyers.
693
00:43:52,963 --> 00:43:56,306
David Miscavige lives and works
most of the time at the Int Base
694
00:43:57,005 --> 00:44:01,840
So it's very easy for me to, um,
to drop off the letter.
695
00:44:06,505 --> 00:44:10,013
It's just sort of saying I, you know,
'The letter that you sent us
696
00:44:10,046 --> 00:44:11,598
have been forwarded on to me
697
00:44:11,630 --> 00:44:15,848
and that you're concerned that we
may be following a kind of bigoted line
698
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:19,470
of not giving Scientology
the respect that it deserves.'
699
00:44:19,630 --> 00:44:20,507
Hello?
700
00:44:21,046 --> 00:44:22,801
Oh. Can I just give you a letter?
701
00:44:23,671 --> 00:44:25,093
Can I just... Hello?
702
00:44:25,130 --> 00:44:27,215
Er, excuse me,
you're, er, you're trespassing.
703
00:44:27,255 --> 00:44:28,926
I've got a letter for Mr Miscavige.
704
00:44:29,130 --> 00:44:30,884
Wait, I've got...
705
00:44:32,005 --> 00:44:33,842
You're trespassing and if you don't leave
706
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:35,349
I'm going to have you
arrested right now.
707
00:44:35,380 --> 00:44:36,849
Can I deliver a letter, please?
708
00:44:42,005 --> 00:44:46,011
No, there's a bloke there
but he seems enturbulated.
709
00:44:46,046 --> 00:44:49,804
It's almost like just by receiving
the letter he seemed afraid
710
00:44:49,838 --> 00:44:54,093
that he was in trouble
or that it represented a threat to him.
711
00:45:01,421 --> 00:45:03,176
We've been told it's a public road.
712
00:45:03,213 --> 00:45:06,259
We own everything. We own that,
we own every house on this property.
713
00:45:06,296 --> 00:45:08,797
The road?
We own everything here.
714
00:45:08,838 --> 00:45:11,765
They have a 100ft right of way from there
from the middle of that road.
715
00:45:11,796 --> 00:45:13,088
This is our property.
716
00:45:13,130 --> 00:45:14,931
You need to leave.
The road, I'm talking about the road.
717
00:45:14,963 --> 00:45:17,381
You already... Yes, it's our property.
We're standing on this road.
718
00:45:17,421 --> 00:45:20,633
This is not a public road.
This is not a county road.
719
00:45:20,671 --> 00:45:23,801
This is our road,
we own everything on this place.
720
00:45:23,838 --> 00:45:26,801
We own the golf course.
We own every house along here.
721
00:45:26,838 --> 00:45:28,178
You now need to leave.
722
00:45:28,213 --> 00:45:29,422
I'm trying to drop off a letter.
723
00:45:29,463 --> 00:45:30,803
Well, the police will be coming.
724
00:45:36,796 --> 00:45:38,716
We'll see my partner
gets the important information.
725
00:45:39,630 --> 00:45:41,798
Because I know that just by
pointing that out to you...
726
00:45:41,838 --> 00:45:43,557
Yeah. We're not trying to get
in there, on there...
727
00:45:43,588 --> 00:45:46,006
We're not trying to climb on the fence.
728
00:45:46,046 --> 00:45:47,884
- We're trying to have a stand out safe area.
- Where are you guys from?
729
00:45:47,921 --> 00:45:49,047
- Hey?
- London.
730
00:45:49,088 --> 00:45:50,131
London?
From London, England.
731
00:45:50,171 --> 00:45:51,297
How's the weather?
732
00:45:51,338 --> 00:45:54,633
This is beautiful. It is a little too hot
or am I just imaging it?
733
00:45:56,588 --> 00:45:58,922
And this is our, um, our film permit.
734
00:45:59,921 --> 00:46:01,178
Do you know if it's a public road?
735
00:46:01,213 --> 00:46:05,171
I believe they own the roadway up to
50 per cent from the centre metre.
736
00:46:05,213 --> 00:46:07,051
Look, if I'm six feet tall...
737
00:46:07,463 --> 00:46:09,845
Let's say there's three of me from there
738
00:46:10,505 --> 00:46:14,013
three of me there, then easily it
gets to have kerb, doesn't it?
739
00:46:14,046 --> 00:46:16,096
Do you know why this guy's filming us?
740
00:46:16,130 --> 00:46:17,765
You don't mind,
that's not bothering you?
741
00:46:18,463 --> 00:46:20,548
That what?
That he's filming us?
742
00:46:21,546 --> 00:46:22,803
It doesn't bother me
that you're filming us.
743
00:46:22,838 --> 00:46:23,715
Oh good.
744
00:46:23,963 --> 00:46:25,089
You guys have a good one, all right?
745
00:46:25,130 --> 00:46:28,057
Hey, no, appreciate it.
Okay, thank you.
746
00:46:29,421 --> 00:46:30,464
What's your name?
747
00:46:33,171 --> 00:46:34,463
You need to leave too.
748
00:46:34,505 --> 00:46:36,673
- Yes, that's fine.
- Both of you. - Yeah.
749
00:46:37,463 --> 00:46:38,672
What's your name?
750
00:46:39,546 --> 00:46:41,632
We're done. Get in the oar.
751
00:46:43,255 --> 00:46:44,381
Are you in the Sea Org?
752
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:47,840
Thanks, guys.
753
00:46:57,213 --> 00:46:58,304
Did you see that?
754
00:46:58,338 --> 00:46:59,594
- Absolutely.
- We had a moment.
755
00:46:59,630 --> 00:47:00,720
Yeah, absolutely.
756
00:47:01,088 --> 00:47:03,173
Did you recognise the woman
who came and talked to me?
757
00:47:03,213 --> 00:47:05,133
Catherine Fraser. Yeah.
758
00:47:06,046 --> 00:47:08,298
And she, Catherine Fraser
759
00:47:08,630 --> 00:47:12,055
her husband is a gentleman
by the name of Jeff Hawkins
760
00:47:13,005 --> 00:47:14,723
who is another guy that left
761
00:47:14,755 --> 00:47:16,260
and he wrote a book.
I've read his book.
762
00:47:16,296 --> 00:47:19,058
Counterfeit Dreams.
He's the guy...
763
00:47:19,505 --> 00:47:21,140
Who wrote a book
about how he was
764
00:47:21,796 --> 00:47:24,558
way many times or at least several
times beaten up by David Miscavige.
765
00:47:24,588 --> 00:47:27,966
He was one of Miscavige's alleged, um...
766
00:47:28,005 --> 00:47:29,510
He was a punching bag.
Punching bag.
767
00:47:30,505 --> 00:47:31,595
And then he blew.
768
00:47:47,630 --> 00:47:49,846
We've brought Marty back.
769
00:47:50,963 --> 00:47:53,345
And, um, we're doing drills.
770
00:47:53,380 --> 00:47:58,299
Marty's offered to take us through some of
the Scientology TRs or training routines.
771
00:47:58,838 --> 00:48:02,891
So this is my chance and
our actors' chance to experience
772
00:48:03,171 --> 00:48:06,680
the Scientology tech,
its technology, first-hand.
773
00:48:07,421 --> 00:48:10,266
And Marty,
when he was in Scientology
774
00:48:10,296 --> 00:48:13,058
was the Inspector General
in charge of tech.
775
00:48:13,421 --> 00:48:15,720
He used to maintain orthodoxy
776
00:48:15,755 --> 00:48:19,263
he made sure that all the
Hubbard-written drills and processes
777
00:48:19,713 --> 00:48:22,593
were implemented exactly correctly
778
00:48:22,630 --> 00:48:27,631
and so who better than him
to take us through drills today?
779
00:48:49,755 --> 00:48:50,762
Hi.
780
00:48:50,796 --> 00:48:52,515
Hi. Are you filming?
781
00:48:52,546 --> 00:48:53,258
Yes.
782
00:48:53,296 --> 00:48:54,718
Okay.
783
00:48:54,755 --> 00:48:56,390
- Are you with him?
- Yeah.
784
00:48:58,755 --> 00:49:00,260
What are you,
what are you filming?
785
00:49:05,380 --> 00:49:06,802
Can you say?
786
00:49:07,380 --> 00:49:10,758
Er, we're just filming
a documentary for us.
787
00:49:11,088 --> 00:49:12,972
- For you?
- Yeah.
788
00:49:13,005 --> 00:49:15,055
- Can you tell me about it?
- No.
789
00:49:16,755 --> 00:49:18,758
Can you tell me about
the scene you're filming?
790
00:49:20,838 --> 00:49:23,421
I'm a freelance cameraman
I'm just working with her.
791
00:49:23,463 --> 00:49:24,849
With her? What's your name?
792
00:49:26,005 --> 00:49:27,296
I'm not going to say.
793
00:49:30,671 --> 00:49:32,757
Can you tell me a little bit
about why you're here?
794
00:49:35,546 --> 00:49:39,339
We're just filming a documentary
of people. That's it.
795
00:49:40,588 --> 00:49:45,756
Um, because you were filming us,
so I just wondered if there was a reason.
796
00:49:50,755 --> 00:49:53,303
Um, we're just, um, filming. That's it.
797
00:49:53,838 --> 00:49:55,473
Yeah.
Is that okay or not?
798
00:49:55,505 --> 00:49:58,432
Er, well, I'd just like to know,
since you were filming me
799
00:49:58,463 --> 00:49:59,849
why you were filming me.
800
00:50:02,171 --> 00:50:04,637
- Would you like to...
- I'm not, I'm not answering.
801
00:50:05,921 --> 00:50:07,391
Well, can you explain?
802
00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:10,048
I'm a freelance cameraman,
I'm just hired by her to...
803
00:50:10,088 --> 00:50:13,182
Right, but what did she
tell you about what you were doing?
804
00:50:13,213 --> 00:50:17,432
To just roll camera on...
on this location.
805
00:50:17,463 --> 00:50:18,755
Come on, help me out, let's get...
806
00:50:19,088 --> 00:50:20,759
- Let's not place the...
- She is in charge of this.
807
00:50:20,796 --> 00:50:22,681
I'm happy to tell you
about what I'm doing
808
00:50:23,130 --> 00:50:25,014
but I'd like you tell
me what you're doing.
809
00:50:25,671 --> 00:50:27,840
I'm... well, I guess I can't
help you on any of this.
810
00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:30,262
I'm just... You're going to have to have to
talk to her. She's the one who called me.
811
00:50:31,255 --> 00:50:32,546
So I honestly, I don't know.
812
00:50:33,713 --> 00:50:36,676
You know, I'm...
We don't have to be silly about this.
813
00:50:36,713 --> 00:50:38,384
Why don't you just tell me
what you doing?
814
00:50:38,421 --> 00:50:40,839
I'm more than happy to tell you
about what we're working on.
815
00:50:42,421 --> 00:50:43,678
That's fine. I'm not.
816
00:50:45,005 --> 00:50:46,510
Come back, don't run away.
817
00:50:52,380 --> 00:50:55,426
Did you know that we're doing
a documentary about Scientology?
818
00:50:56,255 --> 00:50:57,807
I think you're harassing me now.
819
00:50:57,838 --> 00:51:00,553
Listen, you're filming me!
How can I be harassing you?
820
00:51:02,463 --> 00:51:04,015
Come back.
821
00:51:06,171 --> 00:51:07,641
Stop running away.
822
00:51:09,255 --> 00:51:11,720
- Did you see any of that unfold?
- Yeah, yeah.
823
00:51:11,755 --> 00:51:13,840
What's the big picture here?
824
00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:17,554
I mean, why are they doing this?
825
00:51:18,005 --> 00:51:22,093
The big picture is
if you look into us
826
00:51:22,130 --> 00:51:25,720
we'll look into you
10 times as much
827
00:51:26,296 --> 00:51:30,349
and we will make
your life too miserable
828
00:51:30,380 --> 00:51:32,513
to continue with what you're doing.
829
00:51:32,963 --> 00:51:34,847
That's the point of it,
that's the bigger picture.
830
00:51:35,755 --> 00:51:37,639
Been there, done it. On both sides.
831
00:51:38,713 --> 00:51:40,099
On both sides?
832
00:51:55,296 --> 00:51:56,848
Are we going to get started?
833
00:51:57,088 --> 00:51:59,056
Yeah, I think we're good to go
whenever you want to.
834
00:52:00,130 --> 00:52:01,552
- Hi.
- Hi.
835
00:52:01,588 --> 00:52:02,761
My name's Marty.
836
00:52:03,463 --> 00:52:06,557
Okay, so he said
you're willing to participate in the drills
837
00:52:07,213 --> 00:52:09,051
for real, no? Yeah?
Mmmhmm.
838
00:52:09,338 --> 00:52:13,889
Okay. Student and coach sit
facing each other with eyes closed.
839
00:52:14,713 --> 00:52:16,930
There is no conversation,
it is a silent drill.
840
00:52:16,963 --> 00:52:19,594
There is no twitching, moving.
Simply be there.
841
00:52:23,213 --> 00:52:29,056
What you can do is, is if you feel like,
like you accomplish something on it
842
00:52:29,838 --> 00:52:31,509
just raise your hand.
843
00:52:35,755 --> 00:52:40,140
Because we're not doing it under
the official auspices of Scientology
844
00:52:40,171 --> 00:52:42,470
we're doing something
that's called squirrelling.
845
00:52:42,505 --> 00:52:46,344
And in Scientology,
that is the crime of crimes.
846
00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:48,799
Come on, Marty,
you got anything to say?
847
00:52:49,713 --> 00:52:51,265
You can't even defend
yourself on this, can you?
848
00:52:51,296 --> 00:52:53,216
- What's your name?
- Why don't you answer his question?
849
00:52:53,255 --> 00:52:54,724
Marty, I'm with Squirrel
Busters Productions.
850
00:52:54,755 --> 00:52:57,054
In goof ball outfits.
851
00:52:57,088 --> 00:53:01,805
Squirrelling is heresy and squirreling
is the reason why, for more than a year
852
00:53:01,838 --> 00:53:06,140
Marty was hounded and harassed
by the squirrel busters.
853
00:53:06,671 --> 00:53:13,640
They were busting him for attempting
to set up a revival church to Scientology.
854
00:53:14,588 --> 00:53:16,508
Marty, knock it off.
855
00:53:17,171 --> 00:53:22,339
Anything that is not official,
Scientology-authenticated tech
856
00:53:22,963 --> 00:53:27,597
is terrible, is deeply dangerous.
857
00:53:27,838 --> 00:53:29,308
Woo hoo!
858
00:53:29,338 --> 00:53:31,969
And putting the
entire fate of the planet
859
00:53:32,005 --> 00:53:34,885
and not just this planet,
all planets in the universe
860
00:53:35,296 --> 00:53:38,556
at risk, because you're
not doing it correctly.
861
00:53:39,296 --> 00:53:41,679
How ya doing, Mr Squirrel?
862
00:53:42,046 --> 00:53:44,298
- And then the debate becomes, well...
- How are you doing, Mr Squirrel?
863
00:53:44,338 --> 00:53:48,640
Is that because they want to maintain
a monopoly over the practices
864
00:53:48,671 --> 00:53:53,341
because their whole business model
is to do with selling these services?
865
00:53:53,963 --> 00:53:57,471
Start. You are one ugly
motherfucker you know that?
866
00:53:57,505 --> 00:53:59,508
Flunk. Ever so slightly.
867
00:54:00,338 --> 00:54:02,921
Start. You are one ugly
motherfucker, you know that?
868
00:54:04,963 --> 00:54:05,970
Okay.
869
00:54:07,546 --> 00:54:08,637
Flunk, you twitched.
870
00:54:08,838 --> 00:54:11,090
This is the make-break point here.
871
00:54:11,130 --> 00:54:14,673
Now you're going to teach somebody
how to have some forbearance and tolerance
872
00:54:14,713 --> 00:54:16,467
and ability to take some shit.
873
00:54:17,171 --> 00:54:18,013
You know.
874
00:54:18,046 --> 00:54:22,052
This is the most highly criticized drill but
it's the most highly sworn by drill too.
875
00:54:23,338 --> 00:54:25,258
It's called bull bait. Okay?
876
00:54:28,713 --> 00:54:30,716
You're not a very
good journalist, are you?
877
00:54:32,880 --> 00:54:34,432
You're really bad at it.
878
00:54:34,463 --> 00:54:36,797
This is probably the best
you're going to do.
879
00:54:41,505 --> 00:54:43,093
Your wife really doesn't love you.
880
00:54:45,963 --> 00:54:46,923
At all.
881
00:54:47,546 --> 00:54:49,466
She's fucking some
other guy right now.
882
00:54:50,880 --> 00:54:52,717
It's probably someone you know.
883
00:54:54,213 --> 00:54:58,219
It's probably your brother, if you have
a brother, or a relative of yours.
884
00:55:01,255 --> 00:55:02,890
Your boyfriend's having
sex in your own room.
885
00:55:09,463 --> 00:55:11,015
God, he's really good,
I don't really know what to say.
886
00:55:11,796 --> 00:55:12,590
What do I do?
887
00:55:12,630 --> 00:55:13,756
Let me do something.
Okay.
888
00:55:13,796 --> 00:55:16,297
Let me take over for a second.
Let me just, let me see.
889
00:55:17,588 --> 00:55:20,089
Okay, John, I'm going to do a
little drilling with you, okay?
890
00:55:20,130 --> 00:55:21,137
Louis.
891
00:55:21,713 --> 00:55:22,720
Start.
892
00:55:29,338 --> 00:55:30,808
Oh, Jesus. Do we have to do that?
893
00:55:30,838 --> 00:55:32,011
I hate you!
894
00:55:32,046 --> 00:55:33,635
Face me comfortably. Okay?
895
00:55:35,213 --> 00:55:37,346
Flunked.
Can we not do that one?
896
00:55:37,380 --> 00:55:39,963
We've got to flatten it now.
I don't like loud noises.
897
00:55:40,005 --> 00:55:41,806
Now that it's started
we have to flatten it.
898
00:55:42,255 --> 00:55:44,174
We're going to flatten this button. Okay?
899
00:55:44,880 --> 00:55:47,096
Start.
900
00:55:50,088 --> 00:55:53,679
I think if you've seen in the public eye
people who are prominent scientologists
901
00:55:53,713 --> 00:55:56,759
they have a sort of very
forceful, er, bearing.
902
00:55:57,255 --> 00:55:59,886
An intentional type of personality.
903
00:56:00,713 --> 00:56:03,640
That's essentially what
these things drill in.
904
00:56:09,130 --> 00:56:12,887
Purpose. To make student clearly
achieve tone 40 commands.
905
00:56:15,046 --> 00:56:16,089
Tone 40.
906
00:56:16,588 --> 00:56:18,259
- The highest tone.
- The highest tone.
907
00:56:18,296 --> 00:56:20,134
So they'd be the
most effective commands?
908
00:56:20,171 --> 00:56:22,968
The most effective commands.
It's an effortless thing, ultimately.
909
00:56:23,463 --> 00:56:29,306
First locate the space
in which the object is located.
910
00:56:31,046 --> 00:56:32,717
You see that space?
Yes, I do.
911
00:56:32,755 --> 00:56:35,256
Locate the object in that space.
912
00:56:35,671 --> 00:56:36,430
Okay.
913
00:56:37,255 --> 00:56:41,510
Command the object in
the loudest possible voice he can muster.
914
00:56:42,005 --> 00:56:45,098
Now. We're going to get into the
commands, which are stand up
915
00:56:45,380 --> 00:56:47,845
thank you, sit down
in that chair. Right?
916
00:56:49,338 --> 00:56:50,215
Okay.
917
00:56:50,255 --> 00:56:53,135
Put one hand on each side.
Okay, good.
918
00:56:54,130 --> 00:56:56,512
So command it as loudly as you can.
919
00:56:58,463 --> 00:56:59,849
Stand up!
920
00:57:00,171 --> 00:57:01,463
Okay. Have it comply.
921
00:57:02,171 --> 00:57:03,558
Acknowledge it as
loudly as you can.
922
00:57:04,130 --> 00:57:05,469
Thank you.
923
00:57:05,713 --> 00:57:07,597
Command it as loudly as you can.
924
00:57:09,296 --> 00:57:11,264
Sit down in that chair!
925
00:57:11,296 --> 00:57:12,257
Thank you.
926
00:57:13,296 --> 00:57:14,683
Now have it comply.
927
00:57:15,505 --> 00:57:16,263
Now.
928
00:57:16,296 --> 00:57:17,932
Thank you!
929
00:57:18,421 --> 00:57:19,263
Okay, good.
930
00:57:20,463 --> 00:57:24,599
All right, now do this.
Think the thought 'I am a wildflower.'
931
00:57:28,546 --> 00:57:29,637
Okay.
Good.
932
00:57:29,671 --> 00:57:31,970
Think the thought that
you are sitting in a chair.
933
00:57:33,880 --> 00:57:34,638
Okay.
934
00:57:34,671 --> 00:57:38,429
Imagine the thought, that thought,
of you sitting in a chair.
935
00:57:38,463 --> 00:57:41,971
Imagine that thought being
in that ashtray. Imagine it.
936
00:57:42,005 --> 00:57:42,882
Okay.
937
00:57:42,921 --> 00:57:45,766
Now get the ashtray thinking
that it is an ashtray.
938
00:57:46,213 --> 00:57:49,673
You know, I'm going along with this
but it isn't making a whole lot of sense.
939
00:57:49,713 --> 00:57:51,514
Okay.
But is that okay?
940
00:57:51,546 --> 00:57:53,596
Well, it's imagination.
Okay. Got it. I'm telling you...
941
00:57:53,963 --> 00:57:56,926
Put in the ashtray the
intention to remain where it is.
942
00:57:58,671 --> 00:57:59,679
Okay.
943
00:57:59,713 --> 00:58:02,344
Okay, do you get any...
did you get that at all?
944
00:58:02,380 --> 00:58:06,552
Well, I'm imagining it having a little voice
saying 'I'm going to remain where I am.'
945
00:58:06,588 --> 00:58:12,964
Okay, all right. Get the idea of
putting a thought into my mind
946
00:58:13,338 --> 00:58:16,265
about whether to continue
this drill or to dump it.
947
00:58:18,005 --> 00:58:22,011
One way or the other. I want you
to put that intention right back here.
948
00:58:22,505 --> 00:58:24,839
Whether I should continue this drill
or whether I should dump it.
949
00:58:26,338 --> 00:58:28,258
You want me to continue the drill.
950
00:58:28,588 --> 00:58:30,426
Yes.
Okay, good. I got that.
951
00:58:31,921 --> 00:58:34,469
Now, we always
end up by the portrait of Hubbard.
952
00:58:35,546 --> 00:58:37,845
Let's give a hand to him
and everybody stands up.
953
00:58:38,463 --> 00:58:41,308
If we wanted to do that, would you
be comfortable with us doing it?
954
00:58:41,338 --> 00:58:42,511
You can do it but I'm going to go.
955
00:58:42,546 --> 00:58:43,802
If we all visualized
a picture of Hubbard?
956
00:58:43,838 --> 00:58:46,090
I mean, I advise you guys
not to do it but...
957
00:58:46,880 --> 00:58:50,388
Guys, do you want to...
- If you want to join this guy's cult, that's okay with me.
958
00:58:50,421 --> 00:58:52,471
Let's just get a sense
of what it feels like.
959
00:58:52,505 --> 00:58:54,590
Whether it feels...
it might not even feel weird.
960
00:58:55,130 --> 00:58:58,555
Connor's up for it. I don't want to do it
if it's going to annoy you, Marty.
961
00:58:58,588 --> 00:59:01,054
No, go ahead and do it,
I'm just not participating, that's all.
962
00:59:01,838 --> 00:59:04,172
Then the thing... the other
thing that goes with it, Louis, is
963
00:59:04,213 --> 00:59:07,140
everything positive
that happens to you
964
00:59:07,921 --> 00:59:11,595
you get validated by attributing it
to what you learned from Hubbard.
965
00:59:12,005 --> 00:59:14,506
And everything negative
that happens to you
966
00:59:14,546 --> 00:59:19,050
you're counseled that it's your lack
of application of what you did learn.
967
00:59:19,880 --> 00:59:22,724
And then it really becomes
mind control, by definition.
968
00:59:23,338 --> 00:59:25,839
And that's the game. That's why
I really don't want to participate in it.
969
00:59:25,880 --> 00:59:27,171
You don't seriously...
970
00:59:27,213 --> 00:59:29,844
I figured the whole...
I figured the whole mousetrap out
971
00:59:30,296 --> 00:59:32,299
and I just don't want
to engage in it, that's all.
972
00:59:32,713 --> 00:59:34,467
I'm not participating in that shit.
973
00:59:34,921 --> 00:59:37,931
Let's give a hand to LRH!
974
00:59:42,421 --> 00:59:46,048
You see, I think the whole thing was a
freaking failure. You want to know why?
975
00:59:46,088 --> 00:59:48,933
Because they went ahead
and did what he suggested
976
00:59:48,963 --> 00:59:52,471
after I went through all that work to try
and get them to become self-determined
977
00:59:52,505 --> 00:59:55,467
and able to exercise intention
978
00:59:56,213 --> 01:00:00,053
and they all went and
followed this new cult leader.
979
01:00:00,838 --> 01:00:03,172
The Louis Theroux cult.
980
01:00:07,421 --> 01:00:09,092
Is he all right?
981
01:00:25,713 --> 01:00:29,138
Do you find my questions
inane in general?
982
01:00:29,671 --> 01:00:33,049
In general no, I'm just, you know...
983
01:00:33,421 --> 01:00:35,590
With the ones you're
asking now, I mean, I find...
984
01:00:36,338 --> 01:00:38,507
I just don't understand
985
01:00:38,546 --> 01:00:41,047
why you're asking them
like you're asking them at this point.
986
01:00:41,088 --> 01:00:43,589
I've spent so many hours with you
987
01:00:44,338 --> 01:00:46,756
and then you make everything
sound so pedestrian
988
01:00:46,796 --> 01:00:48,846
and you... I don't know
what you're wanting me to...
989
01:00:49,588 --> 01:00:51,556
I've told the story, like,
I don't know how many times
990
01:00:51,588 --> 01:00:52,797
do you want me to tell you again?
991
01:00:52,838 --> 01:00:55,220
I mean, we went through this
last time I was here.
992
01:00:55,505 --> 01:00:57,259
I got into the whole freaking thing.
993
01:00:57,296 --> 01:01:00,674
I remember these are the same
questions coming again
994
01:01:00,713 --> 01:01:02,514
like you're gonna get
a different answer now?
995
01:01:03,296 --> 01:01:06,840
Or you're gonna find an inconsistency,
you know, you're gonna...
996
01:01:07,088 --> 01:01:09,091
What's the purpose of this?
997
01:01:09,463 --> 01:01:12,141
Yesterday it seemed like you,
a couple of times
998
01:01:12,171 --> 01:01:14,933
maybe I was getting on
your nerves a little bit.
999
01:01:18,255 --> 01:01:20,258
Is that a statement?
1000
01:01:21,630 --> 01:01:24,427
Er...
- I'm sorry you had... I'm sorry you got that impression.
1001
01:01:37,546 --> 01:01:40,640
Ask me something
that truly puzzles you
1002
01:01:40,671 --> 01:01:42,840
that you think I might
have the answer to.
1003
01:01:44,171 --> 01:01:46,933
That you haven't asked
me six times already.
1004
01:01:49,838 --> 01:01:52,553
What did it feel like
punching Marc Headley?
1005
01:01:55,130 --> 01:01:59,218
Er, it hurt my... it hurt.
1006
01:02:00,963 --> 01:02:02,883
It hurt my fist.
1007
01:02:02,921 --> 01:02:05,090
The guy is built like a tank.
1008
01:02:21,463 --> 01:02:23,052
We've had another letter.
1009
01:02:23,088 --> 01:02:25,008
To be honest with you,
we've had a couple more letters.
1010
01:02:25,046 --> 01:02:29,930
And they're similar in tone
and what they basically say is
1011
01:02:30,671 --> 01:02:36,467
you are embarked on a project that is
run through with religious bigotry.
1012
01:02:36,505 --> 01:02:39,088
The church's version of events is that
1013
01:02:39,630 --> 01:02:44,134
they do massive amounts of good work.
Social betterment programmes.
1014
01:02:44,171 --> 01:02:50,346
They alleviate illiteracy,
drug addiction, um, criminal behaviour.
1015
01:02:51,046 --> 01:02:52,598
They do disaster relief.
1016
01:02:53,088 --> 01:02:57,473
And it, you know, and what
we're doing is ignoring all of that
1017
01:02:57,505 --> 01:03:01,972
and focusing of a tiny handful
of disgruntled ex-members.
1018
01:03:03,338 --> 01:03:05,471
And that Marty Rathbun in particular
1019
01:03:05,505 --> 01:03:09,926
is a deeply unstable
and untrustworthy figure
1020
01:03:10,505 --> 01:03:12,721
with a vendetta against the church.
1021
01:03:13,755 --> 01:03:15,971
These are letters from Carter Ruck
1022
01:03:16,005 --> 01:03:19,299
the lawyers retained by
the Church of Scientology
1023
01:03:19,338 --> 01:03:20,890
and they were sent to me.
1024
01:03:34,505 --> 01:03:36,674
These are from
Marty Rathbun's weblog
1025
01:03:36,713 --> 01:03:40,257
describing the leader of
the Scientology religion as
1026
01:03:40,296 --> 01:03:42,015
Ayatollah Miscavige
1027
01:03:42,838 --> 01:03:46,298
and the Church of Scientology
as Radical Scientology
1028
01:03:46,338 --> 01:03:52,595
which is obviously abusive and offensive
of both Mr Miscavige and the church.
1029
01:03:52,630 --> 01:03:54,301
Well, first of all...
1030
01:03:58,421 --> 01:04:00,555
I think it's an understatement,
if anything.
1031
01:04:02,130 --> 01:04:05,638
'Mr Fiathbun has an extensive
record of misrepresenting his position.
1032
01:04:05,671 --> 01:04:11,549
For instance, he worked in an
external-affairs position when in the Church
1033
01:04:11,588 --> 01:04:15,262
and never served in an ecclesiastical
management role, contrary to his claims.'
1034
01:04:18,963 --> 01:04:20,349
This is absurd.
1035
01:04:20,755 --> 01:04:23,801
There are absurd things in these letters
that you're taking for granted.
1036
01:04:24,255 --> 01:04:25,843
What was your issue with that one?
1037
01:04:26,255 --> 01:04:27,890
Because I was the Inspector General.
1038
01:04:27,921 --> 01:04:29,343
Which is what, what did you do?
1039
01:04:29,380 --> 01:04:32,970
Which is actually the
highest ecclesiastical position
1040
01:04:33,588 --> 01:04:36,006
contemplated ever
by L. Ron Hubbard.
1041
01:04:37,005 --> 01:04:40,632
I was the baddest ass
dude in Scientology.
1042
01:04:41,338 --> 01:04:42,724
The highest level public...
1043
01:04:42,755 --> 01:04:44,556
The hierarchy of
the Church of Scientology
1044
01:04:44,588 --> 01:04:47,847
was absolutely at the
beck and call of me.
1045
01:04:48,546 --> 01:04:52,339
When you look back at the stuff you did,
what is the stuff you most regret?
1046
01:04:52,546 --> 01:04:54,265
You see, why are
you jumping to that?
1047
01:04:54,296 --> 01:04:58,089
You ask me these questions that act as if
what happened in a one-minute period
1048
01:04:58,130 --> 01:05:00,298
is who I was for 28 years?
1049
01:05:00,338 --> 01:05:02,306
It's bullshit.
1050
01:05:03,088 --> 01:05:08,469
As I've spent time with Marty, it's become
clear he is a double-edged figure.
1051
01:05:09,338 --> 01:05:11,139
Both the chief whistle-blower
1052
01:05:11,421 --> 01:05:15,214
but also, as the church's
own documents make clear
1053
01:05:15,671 --> 01:05:18,468
in his time, the chief enforcer.
1054
01:05:20,421 --> 01:05:24,640
One of the most notorious episodes
was when he was Inspector General.
1055
01:05:25,338 --> 01:05:29,261
Marty claims he arranged for
a top Scientology defector
1056
01:05:29,296 --> 01:05:31,180
to be tailed by two Pls
1057
01:05:31,796 --> 01:05:36,098
because they thought he might have absconded
with some religious writings of Hubbard's.
1058
01:05:37,213 --> 01:05:41,136
And the tailing apparently
continued for around 20 years.
1059
01:05:42,463 --> 01:05:45,308
So you could argue that Marty
went along with the regime
1060
01:05:45,338 --> 01:05:47,139
until he fell out of favour.
1061
01:05:48,963 --> 01:05:51,215
By Marty's account, in 2004
1062
01:05:51,546 --> 01:05:54,758
he'd been away on assignment
and he returned to the Int Base
1063
01:05:54,796 --> 01:06:00,674
to find that David Miscavige had created
this punishment area for upper management
1064
01:06:01,088 --> 01:06:02,842
called the SP Hole.
1065
01:06:06,546 --> 01:06:09,509
And within weeks,
Marty himself had been sent there
1066
01:06:09,880 --> 01:06:12,463
and it was only then that he blew.
1067
01:06:15,505 --> 01:06:18,681
You know, if those are
scientologists, they're not SPs
1068
01:06:18,713 --> 01:06:21,214
they're not outsiders, so why
are they going into the Hole?
1069
01:06:21,255 --> 01:06:23,305
Well, Miscavige says that they are SPs
1070
01:06:23,338 --> 01:06:26,348
who are working against him
and trying to get him to fail.
1071
01:06:27,005 --> 01:06:29,885
They were sleeping in there,
they would eat their meals in there
1072
01:06:29,921 --> 01:06:35,966
and you can imagine if you have
30 or 40 people living in an office space
1073
01:06:36,005 --> 01:06:38,802
24 hours a day
for weeks and months
1074
01:06:39,005 --> 01:06:41,173
you can imagine what it was like.
1075
01:06:41,213 --> 01:06:45,302
It was just dirty and degraded,
you know?
1076
01:06:52,880 --> 01:06:58,391
This is something I was awarded when
I got Dianetics on the bestseller list.
1077
01:06:58,421 --> 01:07:00,092
Oh, see, this is interesting.
1078
01:07:00,130 --> 01:07:04,467
It's a leather bound copy of... let me
grab some other photos if I can find them.
1079
01:07:06,296 --> 01:07:10,717
That's some photos of
my third wife, Catherine.
1080
01:07:12,796 --> 01:07:16,589
You know, I went down to
the Int Base and I met Catherine Fraser.
1081
01:07:16,630 --> 01:07:18,929
- Mmm. My ex. Yeah.
- Your ex-wife.
1082
01:07:18,963 --> 01:07:21,546
I think she, at heart,
is a good person.
1083
01:07:22,213 --> 01:07:24,465
That's trapped in
a not so good system
1084
01:07:25,296 --> 01:07:29,054
and, um... but I know that
she's a good person at heart.
1085
01:07:29,088 --> 01:07:31,636
I've also been spending
a bit of time with Marty Rathbun.
1086
01:07:32,546 --> 01:07:35,224
What was the impression
of Marty at the base?
1087
01:07:36,088 --> 01:07:39,513
How was he viewed?
He was, er...
1088
01:07:40,463 --> 01:07:44,054
Tough. Uncompromising and, er...
1089
01:07:44,421 --> 01:07:45,382
Liked?
1090
01:07:47,713 --> 01:07:50,558
Not really.
Feared maybe.
1091
01:07:51,171 --> 01:07:53,803
That atmosphere brings
out the worst in people.
1092
01:07:54,755 --> 01:07:59,140
Either they submit or they become
one of the predators, you know.
1093
01:07:59,796 --> 01:08:03,091
And Marty for a while was
one of the predators there.
1094
01:08:03,130 --> 01:08:07,006
And in a sense he was, you know,
the Mr Fix-It for David Miscavige
1095
01:08:07,046 --> 01:08:08,338
and did some of the dirty work.
1096
01:08:08,380 --> 01:08:14,009
Oh yeah, yeah. And I don't think
he's divulged all. I'll just say that.
1097
01:08:14,046 --> 01:08:15,137
You don't think so?
1098
01:08:15,171 --> 01:08:17,056
I don't think he's
divulged everything.
1099
01:08:17,088 --> 01:08:18,380
What makes you say that?
1100
01:08:18,796 --> 01:08:23,466
Well, because I've read all of his books
and his columns and stuff like that
1101
01:08:23,505 --> 01:08:28,174
and I just get the feeling he's tiptoeing
around some subjects, you know.
1102
01:08:29,463 --> 01:08:32,224
Marty knows where
all the bodies are buried.
1103
01:08:39,546 --> 01:08:42,094
This was the escape route,
I was coming in the other direction.
1104
01:08:42,130 --> 01:08:44,429
The base is about
5 miles down that way.
1105
01:08:46,338 --> 01:08:47,464
This was your escape route?
1106
01:08:47,505 --> 01:08:51,842
Yeah, I was on my motorcycle,
it was about... low forties.
1107
01:08:51,880 --> 01:08:53,266
Were you pursued?
Raining.
1108
01:08:53,713 --> 01:08:55,348
I don't know. I didn't see anybody.
1109
01:08:55,380 --> 01:08:59,303
But I just went like a bat out of hell
and I went down this road here.
1110
01:08:59,338 --> 01:09:01,092
When you blew,
this is the way you came?
1111
01:09:01,130 --> 01:09:03,014
- Yeah.
- When you fled the Hole.
1112
01:09:03,046 --> 01:09:04,089
Yes, sir.
1113
01:09:04,755 --> 01:09:10,965
So the idea is just to re-enact some of
the events that you lived through, Marty.
1114
01:09:11,005 --> 01:09:13,683
Uh-huh.
Using, you know...
1115
01:09:13,713 --> 01:09:16,391
And you want to have the
environment to be similar?
1116
01:09:16,421 --> 01:09:20,179
Yeah, we want to do it as close
to the real place as we can.
1117
01:09:21,546 --> 01:09:24,012
Well, it was all inside.
1118
01:09:24,921 --> 01:09:27,304
So you could literally
recreate it anywhere.
1119
01:09:29,588 --> 01:09:30,974
I think we're good,
what do you think?
1120
01:09:31,421 --> 01:09:32,927
I'll have a look,
I can't see anything.
1121
01:09:32,963 --> 01:09:33,970
Have a look.
1122
01:09:34,421 --> 01:09:35,631
Oh, this is great.
1123
01:09:40,505 --> 01:09:42,093
So what did you think of the lines?
1124
01:09:42,421 --> 01:09:44,471
What lines?
These lines, the ones that I...
1125
01:09:44,505 --> 01:09:45,891
They suck, they're unnatural.
1126
01:09:45,963 --> 01:09:47,717
They're from your book.
You got to be natural.
1127
01:09:47,755 --> 01:09:49,224
It just comes out like a flood.
1128
01:09:49,505 --> 01:09:51,389
Do we think we're going
to put trailers out here
1129
01:09:51,421 --> 01:09:56,173
or do you think that we would do
just as well doing it in a set in LA?
1130
01:09:56,213 --> 01:09:57,505
- Better.
- Better?
1131
01:09:57,546 --> 01:09:58,719
- Better.
- Why?
1132
01:09:58,921 --> 01:10:01,932
You don't have the logistical problems
of bringing all these actors out here.
1133
01:10:02,380 --> 01:10:05,426
There's... this is a logistics
nightmare out here, okay?
1134
01:10:05,463 --> 01:10:08,011
You got to create that
claustrophobia, you know.
1135
01:10:08,046 --> 01:10:12,633
You know, it's nondescript,
cheap-ass sort of office set-up.
1136
01:10:12,671 --> 01:10:13,844
Well, we'll figure that stuff out.
1137
01:10:14,171 --> 01:10:16,755
Hey, before we
lose the light, Marty
1138
01:10:16,796 --> 01:10:19,593
I was just going to take
Andrew just by the base
1139
01:10:19,630 --> 01:10:22,012
by the Int Base - he expressed
an interest in doing that.
1140
01:10:22,463 --> 01:10:23,755
You don't want to go
by the base do you?
1141
01:10:23,796 --> 01:10:24,555
No.
1142
01:10:36,796 --> 01:10:39,214
It was that red car that
was there for a long time
1143
01:10:39,838 --> 01:10:41,047
and Marty was in...
1144
01:10:42,880 --> 01:10:45,345
We're going to lose the light,
we'd better get down there.
1145
01:10:57,296 --> 01:10:58,588
What is this, Sublette Road?
1146
01:10:58,630 --> 01:10:59,756
Road Closed?
1147
01:10:59,796 --> 01:11:01,006
- Closed.
- What?
1148
01:11:01,421 --> 01:11:02,594
Was this closed last time?
1149
01:11:02,630 --> 01:11:04,348
No. Can they do that?
1150
01:11:06,505 --> 01:11:07,512
Lights.
1151
01:11:10,755 --> 01:11:12,473
Oh shit.
What?
1152
01:11:12,963 --> 01:11:14,515
That's us.
Oh.
1153
01:11:21,005 --> 01:11:22,972
Is that... that's barbed wire?
1154
01:11:23,796 --> 01:11:27,672
I think that's some kind of barbed
wire or spikes on top of there.
1155
01:11:27,713 --> 01:11:29,135
Spikes?
Yeah.
1156
01:11:29,171 --> 01:11:30,428
Whoa.
Oh.
1157
01:11:30,463 --> 01:11:32,466
That is actually quite helpful.
1158
01:11:33,713 --> 01:11:36,179
And there are cameras there as well.
1159
01:11:38,130 --> 01:11:39,054
Okay.
1160
01:11:44,130 --> 01:11:46,215
What... is it trying
to communicate something?
1161
01:11:50,463 --> 01:11:52,762
Why is it flashing?
You guys are trespassing.
1162
01:11:52,796 --> 01:11:54,597
You need to leave or
I'm going to call the oops.
1163
01:11:55,213 --> 01:11:56,304
Hi, how are you doing?
1164
01:11:56,338 --> 01:11:59,882
You're trespassing. You need
to leave or I'm calling the oops.
1165
01:12:00,880 --> 01:12:02,136
It's okay, we have a permit.
1166
01:12:02,171 --> 01:12:07,599
For the third time, you're trespassing,
you need to leave or I'm calling the cops.
1167
01:12:08,046 --> 01:12:10,180
- We have a permit, it's fine.
- Leave.
1168
01:12:11,380 --> 01:12:12,766
We've got a permit, sir.
1169
01:12:13,880 --> 01:12:15,219
Are we allowed to leave?
1170
01:12:15,880 --> 01:12:17,136
Are we allowed to leave?
1171
01:12:17,171 --> 01:12:20,052
Yeah, while he's calling the oops,
or is that somehow...
1172
01:12:20,338 --> 01:12:22,672
Er. Yeah, yeah, yeah I think so.
not allowed?
1173
01:12:22,713 --> 01:12:24,597
I think that's what they want,
they want us to leave.
1174
01:12:24,630 --> 01:12:28,766
Okay. Well it doesn't seem like we're
doing much else here, right? I mean...
1175
01:12:28,796 --> 01:12:29,922
Are you okay?
1176
01:12:29,963 --> 01:12:31,634
- I'm fine.
- You're not worried about it?
1177
01:12:31,671 --> 01:12:34,717
Well, the way
that guy was barking at us...
1178
01:12:34,755 --> 01:12:36,473
But he was using tone 40.
1179
01:12:37,338 --> 01:12:39,388
- Yeah, I think it was, like, tone 20.
- I'm serious.
1180
01:12:39,421 --> 01:12:41,222
- You think 20... 20'?
- Yeah.
1181
01:12:41,255 --> 01:12:42,973
They're on Sublette Road.
1182
01:12:43,005 --> 01:12:46,844
They're just being curious Parkers,
they're trespassing.
1183
01:12:49,588 --> 01:12:51,840
The road is closed,
we've told them to leave.
1184
01:12:52,338 --> 01:12:56,924
You can't see where I'm calling?
What is my... Yeah, yeah.
1185
01:12:58,630 --> 01:13:02,220
Hello. Did you want
to see the permit?
1186
01:13:02,255 --> 01:13:04,756
One is from England,
I know he's a BBC reporter
1187
01:13:04,796 --> 01:13:06,882
I have no idea of his name.
1188
01:13:06,921 --> 01:13:07,798
Louis.
1189
01:13:07,838 --> 01:13:09,676
Um, Louis?
Louis.
1190
01:13:09,713 --> 01:13:12,924
Okay, the road's closed, you're
trespassing and you need to leave.
1191
01:13:12,963 --> 01:13:16,341
Apparently it's a public road.
No, it isn't.
1192
01:13:16,380 --> 01:13:17,719
And we have a...
The road is... No, you don't.
1193
01:13:17,755 --> 01:13:19,011
But can I just show you the permit?
1194
01:13:19,046 --> 01:13:21,180
No it isn't, it isn't a public road.
1195
01:13:21,213 --> 01:13:22,765
- It's trespassing.
- Look, Catherine, Catherine.
1196
01:13:22,796 --> 01:13:25,179
You're not that stupid. You see that thing?
Whoa, whoa, whoa, you're assaulting me.
1197
01:13:25,213 --> 01:13:26,932
It says road closed.
1198
01:13:26,963 --> 01:13:28,717
Look. Look.
No, look. Come here.
1199
01:13:28,755 --> 01:13:29,845
Come here.
Let me show you.
1200
01:13:29,880 --> 01:13:31,385
No, come on, what's your name?
No, please.
1201
01:13:31,421 --> 01:13:32,843
Lewis?
Louis. Louis. Louis.
1202
01:13:33,088 --> 01:13:36,264
Look. Are you so stupid
you cannot see the sign
1203
01:13:36,296 --> 01:13:38,513
that says road closed?
But, look, it's...
1204
01:13:38,546 --> 01:13:41,473
ls there anything about that
that you don't understand?
1205
01:13:41,505 --> 01:13:42,974
Closed?
Well, look, I've got a permit...
1206
01:13:43,005 --> 01:13:44,557
Do you know what a road means?
with a name on it.
1207
01:13:44,755 --> 01:13:45,928
It's closed.
1208
01:13:45,963 --> 01:13:47,717
We're not... we don't...
The road is closed.
1209
01:13:47,755 --> 01:13:49,592
We don't want to
create any issue for you.
1210
01:13:49,630 --> 01:13:51,549
And I don't want
him filming me, so tell him to stop.
1211
01:13:51,588 --> 01:13:52,928
Well, you're filming us.
1212
01:13:52,963 --> 01:13:55,345
Tell him to stop.
Why don't you tell him to stop?
1213
01:13:55,838 --> 01:13:56,715
Tell him to stop.
1214
01:13:56,755 --> 01:13:58,840
You tell him to stop
and I'll tell him to stop.
1215
01:13:58,880 --> 01:13:59,970
How about that?
Stop.
1216
01:14:00,255 --> 01:14:01,297
Tell him to stop.
1217
01:14:01,338 --> 01:14:02,630
Louis, you need to leave.
1218
01:14:02,671 --> 01:14:04,591
Catherine, we don't need to leave.
1219
01:14:05,005 --> 01:14:05,882
Yes, you do.
1220
01:14:05,921 --> 01:14:07,047
Catherine, we don't.
You're trespassing.
1221
01:14:07,088 --> 01:14:08,640
We're not. Catherine.
Well, you're not trespassing now.
1222
01:14:08,671 --> 01:14:10,721
You can stay here all night.
Fine. Thank you. Catherine.
1223
01:14:11,755 --> 01:14:13,343
Catherine, what are
you angry about?
1224
01:14:13,380 --> 01:14:16,141
You know, we... our... my...
You're going to stand there.
1225
01:14:16,171 --> 01:14:18,886
My deep desire is actually to speak
to someone from the Sea Org.
1226
01:14:18,921 --> 01:14:22,928
Oh right. Right, oh Louis. Oh yeah.
- So you're actually doing me quite big favour...
1227
01:14:22,963 --> 01:14:25,048
by being here.
You're like, oh yeah, you're so honest.
1228
01:14:25,088 --> 01:14:28,466
Oh yeah. Yeah.
You take the stars for honesty.
1229
01:14:28,505 --> 01:14:31,847
So what... so this is good, like,
let's just keep the conversation going.
1230
01:14:31,880 --> 01:14:33,634
No, we're done. Bye, Louis.
1231
01:14:33,671 --> 01:14:36,303
What, don't... you don't have to go,
you're not trespassing.
1232
01:14:36,338 --> 01:14:38,839
Wait till the police come.
We'd like you to stay.
1233
01:14:39,505 --> 01:14:40,512
Catherine?
1234
01:14:42,505 --> 01:14:44,259
Can we talk to you?
1235
01:14:45,838 --> 01:14:47,592
Are you in the Sea Org as well?
1236
01:15:02,630 --> 01:15:04,597
Are you making a
documentary as well?
1237
01:15:08,213 --> 01:15:10,097
And if so, who is your one for?
1238
01:15:28,921 --> 01:15:31,766
Catherine,
I think we're going to go, okay?
1239
01:15:32,963 --> 01:15:35,760
Just so you know. All right?
1240
01:16:15,630 --> 01:16:17,964
You guys are missing
all the action inside the terminal.
1241
01:16:18,005 --> 01:16:21,465
I've got Mark Yager,
Jenny De Vocht
1242
01:16:21,505 --> 01:16:24,634
and Dave Bloomberg,
another hit guy
1243
01:16:24,671 --> 01:16:27,054
sort of getting in my face here.
1244
01:16:27,088 --> 01:16:30,134
I've got it on videotape,
you guys might be interested in it.
1245
01:16:40,338 --> 01:16:44,557
Er. Anyway, there you go,
you guys missed the fireworks.
1246
01:16:47,921 --> 01:16:53,433
So a call's just come in from Marty
saying that once he'd got through security
1247
01:16:54,088 --> 01:16:57,797
there were three prominent
scientologists on the other side.
1248
01:17:11,505 --> 01:17:13,804
So they've started again,
squirrel busting.
1249
01:17:17,380 --> 01:17:18,849
Can you move on, please?
1250
01:17:20,671 --> 01:17:22,223
Can you guys move on, please?
1251
01:18:00,421 --> 01:18:04,095
They're behaving in a way
that's so obviously pathological.
1252
01:18:04,421 --> 01:18:08,048
You would think that they would
realise that other people would see that
1253
01:18:08,088 --> 01:18:10,849
and think this is a religion of lunatics.
1254
01:18:12,046 --> 01:18:14,594
They are doing it for one audience.
1255
01:18:14,630 --> 01:18:16,715
Which is David Miscavige.
1256
01:18:17,588 --> 01:18:20,799
They are trying to prove
that they are loyal to him
1257
01:18:21,963 --> 01:18:27,261
because he holds all the strings.
He has the ultimate power in Scientology.
1258
01:18:27,296 --> 01:18:31,966
He could banish them
from Scientology with a word.
1259
01:18:32,005 --> 01:18:34,304
He holds your eternity in his hand
1260
01:18:34,338 --> 01:18:39,008
so it's not just the threat of
death, it's the threat of, er...
1261
01:18:39,046 --> 01:18:41,014
really dying over and
over and over again
1262
01:18:41,046 --> 01:18:44,092
and in ignorance and darkness
1263
01:18:44,505 --> 01:18:47,183
and that's what they
think is in store for them.
1264
01:18:47,213 --> 01:18:52,132
He has ultimate spiritual
power over scientologists.
1265
01:18:52,171 --> 01:18:56,343
He says who goes up the bridge and
who doesn't go up the bridge, you know?
1266
01:18:56,380 --> 01:18:59,840
And he can bar you from Scientology
forever if you cross him.
1267
01:19:00,546 --> 01:19:04,469
And he knows that. You know,
he knows the power that he's got.
1268
01:19:04,505 --> 01:19:07,219
Same power Hubbard had. You know?
1269
01:19:31,296 --> 01:19:33,844
You worked with
David Miscavige quite a bit.
1270
01:19:33,880 --> 01:19:34,970
Oh yeah.
1271
01:19:35,005 --> 01:19:36,391
And he didn't like you much, did he?
1272
01:19:36,421 --> 01:19:37,464
No, no.
1273
01:19:37,963 --> 01:19:43,676
He, er, physically beat me up
on about 5 separate occasions.
1274
01:19:44,088 --> 01:19:46,671
There was one case where
I was in a meeting with him
1275
01:19:46,713 --> 01:19:50,091
I was presenting an infomercial
script that I had worked on.
1276
01:19:50,130 --> 01:19:53,472
He hated it and he's getting himself
worked up and worked up and worked up
1277
01:19:53,505 --> 01:19:55,508
and finally he jumps up on
the conference room table.
1278
01:19:55,546 --> 01:19:58,722
He's a little guy but he's
like, you know, muscular.
1279
01:19:59,088 --> 01:20:00,807
Jumps up on the
conference room table
1280
01:20:01,046 --> 01:20:04,969
launches himself at me,
knocks me back against a partition
1281
01:20:05,255 --> 01:20:07,886
beating my face and then
he knocks me on the floor.
1282
01:20:09,505 --> 01:20:12,006
And then he stalks out of the room
1283
01:20:12,046 --> 01:20:15,673
and there were literally, like,
30 or 40 top executives in that room.
1284
01:20:15,713 --> 01:20:16,756
And they're saying
1285
01:20:16,796 --> 01:20:19,474
'Get up, get up you don't
want to make him wrong.'
1286
01:20:20,213 --> 01:20:26,305
You know, like if I laid there
all scratched up and torn
1287
01:20:26,588 --> 01:20:29,266
that would be making him wrong
and that would be terrible.
1288
01:20:47,963 --> 01:20:50,511
This is the re-enactment which
we've been talking about doing.
1289
01:20:50,546 --> 01:20:54,967
And Marty's here and we've got
our set as discussed with him.
1290
01:20:55,338 --> 01:20:58,846
We've got actors, we've got
a script written by Marty
1291
01:20:59,421 --> 01:21:04,221
based on what allegedly happened at the
Gold Base around the time of the Hole.
1292
01:21:04,255 --> 01:21:06,637
So we're going to
improvise based on that.
1293
01:21:07,130 --> 01:21:09,844
And we have as well
in the background
1294
01:21:09,880 --> 01:21:12,724
although I haven't
told Marty this yet
1295
01:21:12,755 --> 01:21:14,224
but we have Tom Cruise.
1296
01:21:18,255 --> 01:21:21,845
I'm not suggesting that he was
at the Int Base at this time
1297
01:21:21,880 --> 01:21:23,634
or that he knew what was going on.
1298
01:21:24,255 --> 01:21:26,340
But as Scientology's poster boy
1299
01:21:27,130 --> 01:21:30,472
whatever happened in
Scientology for good or ill
1300
01:21:30,880 --> 01:21:32,634
carries his name on it.
1301
01:21:44,255 --> 01:21:45,546
Welcome to the Hole.
1302
01:21:46,921 --> 01:21:51,259
This is a recreation of the watchdog
committee conference room
1303
01:21:51,296 --> 01:21:54,177
which was at the international
base at Riverside, California.
1304
01:21:54,338 --> 01:21:56,471
There was a guard at the door
meals were brought in.
1305
01:21:56,921 --> 01:21:59,469
Sleeping bags were put on the floor,
people had to sleep there.
1306
01:21:59,588 --> 01:22:02,847
Miscavige then reading in
all of these evil intentions
1307
01:22:02,880 --> 01:22:04,551
that these people
must have against him.
1308
01:22:04,963 --> 01:22:07,926
And it must be some kind of...
and this is kind of Scientology thinking
1309
01:22:07,963 --> 01:22:10,890
that there's some suppressive
person that's poisoning everything
1310
01:22:10,921 --> 01:22:12,640
unbeknownst to everybody else.
1311
01:22:12,880 --> 01:22:15,297
And so there was more and
more people getting into it
1312
01:22:15,338 --> 01:22:16,808
and when I was there
it was, like, 60 people
1313
01:22:16,838 --> 01:22:20,263
and apparently it went up to 80 or 100
at different times after I left.
1314
01:22:21,880 --> 01:22:24,760
Were they kept against
their will, would you say?
1315
01:22:26,005 --> 01:22:27,723
All of the doors
and windows were barred
1316
01:22:27,755 --> 01:22:29,639
and there was a
security guard at the door
1317
01:22:29,671 --> 01:22:31,923
so I would call that
against their will.
1318
01:22:32,213 --> 01:22:34,512
But if they'd wanted to badly enough
1319
01:22:34,880 --> 01:22:37,890
it's hard not to feel they
could have made a run for it.
1320
01:22:37,921 --> 01:22:39,473
Well, yes, yes.
1321
01:22:39,505 --> 01:22:44,091
And this is one of the things that people
don't understand about that environment.
1322
01:22:44,546 --> 01:22:46,265
I mean, take my case.
1323
01:22:47,046 --> 01:22:51,135
I finally decided to turn my back
on the whole subject and leave.
1324
01:22:51,171 --> 01:22:55,011
I had to walk away from
a 35-year commitment.
1325
01:22:56,213 --> 01:22:58,547
My wife who I loved very much.
1326
01:22:59,005 --> 01:23:03,639
All of the friends I had in the world
were at that Int Base.
1327
01:23:04,213 --> 01:23:08,385
A person has to be so desperate
to just turn their back on everything
1328
01:23:08,421 --> 01:23:10,673
and say 'I don't care about all that.
1329
01:23:12,046 --> 01:23:16,633
I have to leave this place
because it's just too oppressive'
1330
01:23:17,213 --> 01:23:22,594
and walk out into a world
that is just totally foreign
1331
01:23:22,796 --> 01:23:25,807
and where they don't know anybody,
they don't know the rules
1332
01:23:26,046 --> 01:23:29,258
they don't know how to get a job,
they don't know how to get a bank account.
1333
01:23:30,171 --> 01:23:34,509
You know, it's a foreign world that they
have to go out and somehow cope with.
1334
01:23:34,546 --> 01:23:37,224
Alone. And people say
'Why don't they just walk out?'
1335
01:23:37,463 --> 01:23:41,054
Well, that's why. Because,
in essence, it's a kind of a suicide.
1336
01:23:41,296 --> 01:23:44,223
You have to say 'My life is over
1337
01:23:44,671 --> 01:23:48,843
and I'm walking out of my life
and into a totally different life.'
1338
01:23:49,546 --> 01:23:53,553
You know, it's that level of
desperation that you have to get to
1339
01:23:53,755 --> 01:23:57,464
and people that are still in there, they
haven't gotten to that level of desperation.
1340
01:23:57,505 --> 01:24:02,719
The people in the Hole, they haven't gotten
to that level of desperation - yet. You know?
1341
01:24:06,713 --> 01:24:09,261
And this incident we're doing is when
1342
01:24:10,380 --> 01:24:14,137
he finally decides the last person
he trusts he doesn't trust anymore
1343
01:24:14,171 --> 01:24:17,301
and I'm getting sentenced to the Hole.
And three days later, I was gone.
1344
01:24:18,546 --> 01:24:21,556
Because I thought leaving was
the only thing I could do so sort of...
1345
01:24:23,630 --> 01:24:27,008
wake him up, because if I leave,
I hold the keys to the kingdom
1346
01:24:27,046 --> 01:24:28,847
and that should sober him up.
1347
01:24:41,005 --> 01:24:42,510
What the fuck is that doing?!
1348
01:24:43,505 --> 01:24:46,219
Get the fuck up.
Fucking DB.
1349
01:24:46,713 --> 01:24:47,637
Walk.
1350
01:24:48,630 --> 01:24:49,341
Walk.
1351
01:24:50,171 --> 01:24:51,593
Fucking crawl.
1352
01:24:55,130 --> 01:24:56,386
Get down.
1353
01:25:00,213 --> 01:25:01,505
Lick the fucking floor.
1354
01:25:02,796 --> 01:25:03,922
Lick the floor.
1355
01:25:06,671 --> 01:25:13,261
It may be that every religion carries within
it the DNA for its own distinct crimes.
1356
01:25:13,921 --> 01:25:15,213
Fucking mental midgets, that's right.
1357
01:25:15,630 --> 01:25:17,763
The Hole and the allegations of abuse
1358
01:25:18,713 --> 01:25:22,387
are in my view an extreme
but logical extension...
1359
01:25:22,421 --> 01:25:25,266
of the principles of Scientology.
Where do you sleep? Where do you sleep?
1360
01:25:25,296 --> 01:25:27,015
Answer my fucking question!
1361
01:25:27,046 --> 01:25:29,180
On the ground, sir.
Where on the ground?
1362
01:25:30,296 --> 01:25:31,848
And I am so frantic
1363
01:25:32,755 --> 01:25:36,382
trying to light a fire
under your lazy asses
1364
01:25:36,421 --> 01:25:40,842
since you routinely let everything go to hell
the second I don't have a gun to your head.
1365
01:25:41,546 --> 01:25:45,386
The Sea Org is imbued
with a Spartan warrior ethic
1366
01:25:46,005 --> 01:25:49,762
and bull baiting, squirrel busting
and shattering suppression
1367
01:25:49,796 --> 01:25:51,136
are part of their dogma,.
1368
01:25:51,880 --> 01:25:53,089
This motherfucker.
1369
01:25:53,963 --> 01:25:57,803
While I'm busy trying
to put things back in order
1370
01:25:58,088 --> 01:26:00,340
because you fucking degraded
beings don't get shit done.
1371
01:26:00,546 --> 01:26:02,182
Look at this fucking Org board.
1372
01:26:02,213 --> 01:26:04,679
Fucking Org board.
1373
01:26:04,713 --> 01:26:06,597
You fucking SP.
1374
01:26:07,463 --> 01:26:09,134
The way you fucking handle an SP...
1375
01:26:10,963 --> 01:26:12,089
is you handle him roughly.
1376
01:26:12,755 --> 01:26:14,011
You handle him roughly!
1377
01:26:14,921 --> 01:26:16,308
You fucking handle him roughly!
1378
01:26:16,338 --> 01:26:17,464
Okay?
1379
01:26:17,880 --> 01:26:19,302
Okay?
1380
01:26:19,671 --> 01:26:20,513
Yes, sir.
1381
01:26:20,546 --> 01:26:22,384
- Yes! Yes!
- Yes, sir.
1382
01:26:23,630 --> 01:26:26,261
The church denies the
existence of the Hole
1383
01:26:26,296 --> 01:26:28,465
and any abuse by David Miscavige.
1384
01:26:29,630 --> 01:26:34,465
It provides numerous statements from people
who say these things just never happened.
1385
01:26:35,755 --> 01:26:37,473
Sit down. Sit down. Sit down.
1386
01:26:37,505 --> 01:26:40,266
But there are also
many ex-church members
1387
01:26:40,588 --> 01:26:42,259
who say that they did happen
1388
01:26:43,338 --> 01:26:46,882
and I've come to believe a
version of this did take place.
1389
01:26:47,630 --> 01:26:51,304
And watching it unfold,
I kept thinking about Marty
1390
01:26:51,838 --> 01:26:55,298
and his years of service
and his complicity.
1391
01:26:57,005 --> 01:26:57,965
Okay.
1392
01:26:59,005 --> 01:27:01,173
Anyone listens to this
fucking cocksucker
1393
01:27:02,046 --> 01:27:05,555
you are automatically and
immediately SP declared.
1394
01:27:06,880 --> 01:27:08,266
Have a pleasant evening.
1395
01:27:34,921 --> 01:27:38,465
Cut. That was a command
performance. We're done.
1396
01:27:38,838 --> 01:27:41,090
That was just a command performance.
Is everyone alright?
1397
01:27:41,130 --> 01:27:42,303
Man, he was on a roll.
1398
01:27:44,713 --> 01:27:48,091
I just sat back and watched because
it was as if he was channeling that guy.
1399
01:27:48,130 --> 01:27:49,931
That was... that is what it was.
1400
01:27:49,963 --> 01:27:53,423
And you can see, it becomes
an overwhelm, and you're like 'Whoa!'
1401
01:28:03,130 --> 01:28:05,429
What's an SP like you
doing in a place like this?
1402
01:28:05,630 --> 01:28:07,052
Don't you ever give it up?
1403
01:28:08,213 --> 01:28:11,887
We're actually...
You're not going to talk to us, Marty?
1404
01:28:11,921 --> 01:28:13,806
Oh look! You've got
another guy with a camera.
1405
01:28:13,838 --> 01:28:15,509
Hey, guys, what are you doing?
1406
01:28:15,546 --> 01:28:17,715
That's terrific. We actually
came to talk to Marty.
1407
01:28:18,046 --> 01:28:19,847
- Go on.
- Yeah.
1408
01:28:19,880 --> 01:28:22,096
- Yeah, so anyway, Marty...
- You want to identify yourselves?
1409
01:28:22,130 --> 01:28:23,718
How much is the
BBC paying you, Marty?
1410
01:28:23,755 --> 01:28:26,966
I just wanted to find out,
like, between the foster care
1411
01:28:27,005 --> 01:28:30,216
and what the BBC is paying you,
is that enough for you to cover your nut?
1412
01:28:30,255 --> 01:28:32,672
- Can you identify yourselves, please?
- Did Moby have to go?
1413
01:28:32,713 --> 01:28:36,221
Actually I'm having a comm
cycle here with Marty.
1414
01:28:36,255 --> 01:28:39,384
Yeah, the foster care. Do you get
paid enough for the foster care?
1415
01:28:39,421 --> 01:28:41,092
You, I think I know.
1416
01:28:42,005 --> 01:28:44,257
Where is your friend from last time?
1417
01:28:44,671 --> 01:28:46,390
These guys hired me this time.
1418
01:28:46,421 --> 01:28:47,843
Can you tell me who they are?
1419
01:28:48,796 --> 01:28:52,257
You can ask them, don't... They hired
me to work on their documentary.
1420
01:28:52,296 --> 01:28:54,346
Did you finish the other project?
1421
01:28:55,588 --> 01:28:58,349
Nicely done. I have no interest
in being filmed. Thanks, Marty.
1422
01:28:58,380 --> 01:28:59,849
Guys, stick around. Please.
1423
01:29:01,671 --> 01:29:02,881
It's the same guy.
1424
01:29:04,630 --> 01:29:06,467
Which guy, the cameraman?
1425
01:29:09,380 --> 01:29:11,217
Can we just have you names?
1426
01:29:16,046 --> 01:29:18,132
This is really sick, man.
1427
01:29:18,713 --> 01:29:20,467
This is really sick.
1428
01:29:20,505 --> 01:29:23,136
They're saying that are you getting
paid enough for your foster care
1429
01:29:23,171 --> 01:29:25,672
between this and your foster care,
is that paying you enough?
1430
01:29:25,713 --> 01:29:27,681
How much are they paying you?
1431
01:29:27,713 --> 01:29:31,173
Between that and your foster care
are you able to survive?
1432
01:29:32,463 --> 01:29:34,466
I don't know anything
about foster care.
1433
01:29:36,755 --> 01:29:41,306
Monique and I are providing for him.
It's a straight adoption.
1434
01:29:42,296 --> 01:29:44,216
None of these things just happen.
1435
01:29:44,671 --> 01:29:49,176
David Miscavige had to direct this.
He scripted it and directed it.
1436
01:30:02,088 --> 01:30:03,807
- Big roll!
- Oooh!
1437
01:30:04,213 --> 01:30:06,595
That is a five. That is a five.
Two and five.
1438
01:30:06,630 --> 01:30:08,467
Now, I got to see what I'm
gonna do with it but, er...
1439
01:30:09,630 --> 01:30:11,431
One, two.
You lucky motherfucker.
1440
01:30:13,296 --> 01:30:16,721
He brought my wife's name
into it and he's brought my son into this.
1441
01:30:20,088 --> 01:30:21,474
I didn't want to do it
1442
01:30:21,505 --> 01:30:24,266
but I'm going to have to pull
the plug on this organization.
1443
01:30:25,713 --> 01:30:27,597
You don't bring my child into this.
1444
01:30:30,796 --> 01:30:34,933
Not unless you want me to do something
extremely severe in response.
1445
01:30:42,046 --> 01:30:44,298
Do the actors know
what was going on?
1446
01:30:45,421 --> 01:30:48,432
We probably shouldn't tell them.
They'll just get upset.
1447
01:30:49,463 --> 01:30:51,301
You know, welcome to my life, Louis.
1448
01:30:53,046 --> 01:30:54,765
And I say you've just illustrated it.
1449
01:30:54,796 --> 01:30:57,807
Like, I'm working with these people
but I've got to withhold from them
1450
01:30:58,880 --> 01:31:01,381
that these guys are in my face here
because they might be upset.
1451
01:31:01,421 --> 01:31:06,387
It's the same thing I have to go
through with all of my contacts in life.
1452
01:31:06,421 --> 01:31:08,222
I have to live this life
1453
01:31:08,255 --> 01:31:12,178
where I can't really share what
happens to me on a day-to-day basis
1454
01:31:12,213 --> 01:31:15,970
because if I do, it freaks people out.
Do you understand the burden?
1455
01:31:16,005 --> 01:31:19,465
We can't make friends.
It's very difficult.
1456
01:31:20,546 --> 01:31:24,599
To say 'Hey, um, you know,
come on over for a barbecue
1457
01:31:24,630 --> 01:31:28,090
but realise you might be
being surveilled
1458
01:31:28,130 --> 01:31:30,097
and it might be going into the archive
1459
01:31:30,130 --> 01:31:31,848
of the most pernicious, dangerous cult
1460
01:31:31,880 --> 01:31:34,463
that the western world
has known in the past 50 years.'
1461
01:31:34,505 --> 01:31:36,389
You understand what I'm saying?
1462
01:31:38,130 --> 01:31:40,097
But I will tell you this.
1463
01:31:40,130 --> 01:31:42,844
He will rue the day
that he brought my son into this.
1464
01:31:44,005 --> 01:31:45,474
He will rue the day.
1465
01:31:52,880 --> 01:31:54,432
You know, we talked early on about...
1466
01:31:54,463 --> 01:31:58,635
You know, you were, er,
you ran private investigators.
1467
01:32:03,088 --> 01:32:06,679
I mean, some of these techniques
were things you did to other people.
1468
01:32:08,005 --> 01:32:10,506
- I mean, you ran Pls who infiltrated...
- You know, you are so wrong.
1469
01:32:10,546 --> 01:32:13,806
I never, ever, even crossed
my mind to think about...
1470
01:32:14,671 --> 01:32:17,847
about bringing a person's
child into something.
1471
01:32:17,880 --> 01:32:22,846
I never, ever, ever crossed my mind to use
a terroristic technique like that. Ever.
1472
01:32:22,880 --> 01:32:24,136
Nothing like this.
1473
01:32:24,171 --> 01:32:27,466
I mean, you had people
pretending to be people's friends
1474
01:32:27,505 --> 01:32:29,140
while secretly...
Yeah, alright.
1475
01:32:30,880 --> 01:32:33,132
I mean, I'm not trying
to give you... isn't that a fact?
1476
01:32:33,171 --> 01:32:34,558
- Huh'?
- Isn't that a fact though?
1477
01:32:34,588 --> 01:32:36,721
You're a fucking asshole,
that's a fact.
1478
01:32:37,130 --> 01:32:38,137
Fuck you.
1479
01:32:39,713 --> 01:32:42,723
You know, I'm sitting here having
my child brought into this thing
1480
01:32:42,755 --> 01:32:46,049
and you want to fucking sit here and
make me defend myself. Fuck yourself.
1481
01:32:46,296 --> 01:32:48,797
I have to be subjected to this shit
1482
01:32:48,838 --> 01:32:50,308
and I got to take this shit from him?
1483
01:32:50,338 --> 01:32:51,973
All right, forget it, Marty.
I'm not trying...
1484
01:32:52,005 --> 01:32:53,296
You know, fuck yourself.
1485
01:32:53,338 --> 01:32:56,218
Truly.
I consider myself fucked.
1486
01:32:56,255 --> 01:32:59,052
I don't know what to say now,
like, do you want to change the...
1487
01:32:59,088 --> 01:33:01,636
You should apologise
for starters and say that's...
1488
01:33:01,671 --> 01:33:03,639
we're canceling that,
we'll pick up where we...
1489
01:33:03,671 --> 01:33:06,219
Alright, fine, cancel that.
before that whole thing started.
1490
01:33:07,046 --> 01:33:10,258
But even then, I want
a minute to cool down.
1491
01:33:10,713 --> 01:33:12,302
Because this is really offensive.
1492
01:33:13,338 --> 01:33:16,183
I'm really fucking offended by it.
I'm telling you, I have no life
1493
01:33:16,213 --> 01:33:18,679
I can't even make friendships,
I am unemployable
1494
01:33:18,921 --> 01:33:20,806
and you start giving me this shit?
1495
01:33:30,463 --> 01:33:33,390
That definitely brings us
to both the close of tonight's event
1496
01:33:33,838 --> 01:33:35,427
and the start of a whole new era
1497
01:33:35,463 --> 01:33:38,971
yet before we part I want you to
remember the two operative words
1498
01:33:39,005 --> 01:33:41,932
with which we opened this
evening - Necessity Level.
1499
01:33:42,546 --> 01:33:45,391
The moment you realise
the scope of Scientology
1500
01:33:45,421 --> 01:33:47,887
the very instant
you accepted its power
1501
01:33:47,921 --> 01:33:50,967
in one way or another,
you are committed by necessity
1502
01:33:51,005 --> 01:33:52,924
to help in every way you can.
1503
01:33:53,380 --> 01:33:57,338
We mean it. And the only slim
chance that this planet has
1504
01:33:57,880 --> 01:34:04,718
rests on a few slim shoulders. Over worked,
underpaid and fought, the scientologist.
1505
01:34:05,213 --> 01:34:06,932
Later on, if we make it
1506
01:34:07,421 --> 01:34:09,804
what will be your answer
to this question?
1507
01:34:10,755 --> 01:34:12,141
Did you help?
1508
01:34:12,755 --> 01:34:16,843
And I say, let's all make it happen.
Thank you very much to LRH.
1509
01:34:17,796 --> 01:34:22,264
That inspirational speech and
the film of the 2004 gala
1510
01:34:22,463 --> 01:34:25,888
is the dream of how the world
would be with Scientology.
1511
01:34:28,088 --> 01:34:30,221
Well-ordered and grandiose
1512
01:34:30,255 --> 01:34:32,507
and reaching for
some higher purpose.
1513
01:34:33,463 --> 01:34:36,046
All the bull baiting and
the shattering suppression
1514
01:34:36,338 --> 01:34:38,306
they're justified because of this.
1515
01:34:40,421 --> 01:34:42,507
And in spite of everything I now know
1516
01:34:42,838 --> 01:34:45,932
a little part of me still feels
the pull of their vision.
1517
01:34:47,380 --> 01:34:49,465
It may be tempting
to look at the faces
1518
01:34:49,505 --> 01:34:50,974
and see foolishness.
1519
01:34:51,713 --> 01:34:55,849
But you could also choose to see good
people who are members of a church
1520
01:34:56,213 --> 01:34:58,547
that's been hijacked
by its own Pope.
1521
01:34:59,088 --> 01:35:01,719
Thank you very much,
see you next year, goodnight.
1522
01:35:38,630 --> 01:35:40,633
Well, they think they're
saving the world, right?
1523
01:35:40,671 --> 01:35:43,303
They see you as the
ultimate suppressive.
1524
01:35:47,338 --> 01:35:50,763
Ah, see, that's where you're wrong.
1525
01:35:51,255 --> 01:35:53,009
That's where you're wrong.
1526
01:35:54,671 --> 01:36:00,798
Ultimately, it's as if he
literally in his warped mind
1527
01:36:00,838 --> 01:36:04,181
is begging me
to end all this for him.
1528
01:36:07,088 --> 01:36:09,091
He knows I'm the truth, man.
1529
01:36:09,505 --> 01:36:12,088
And that is the scariest
thing in the world to him.
1530
01:36:16,005 --> 01:36:17,391
I am done with it.
1531
01:36:20,671 --> 01:36:23,966
And they keep...
- Oh, your number's up, Marty, they're going to arrest you.
1532
01:36:24,005 --> 01:36:25,640
They keep pulling me back in.
1533
01:36:25,671 --> 01:36:27,058
- Morning.
- Howdy.
1534
01:36:27,296 --> 01:36:28,967
We're just doing some
random inspections here today.
1535
01:36:29,005 --> 01:36:30,214
Yeah.
We need to take a look in the back
1536
01:36:30,255 --> 01:36:31,890
make sure you don't have any
missiles hidden back there.
1537
01:36:31,921 --> 01:36:33,308
There's some guys in there.
1538
01:36:33,630 --> 01:36:35,549
It is on, yeah,
that is on, we're filming.
1539
01:36:35,588 --> 01:36:36,880
- Okay.
- We're making a movie.