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>> PEOPLE ARE ALWAYS SAYING TO

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ME, "DO I KNOW YOU?"

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I SAY, "YEAH, IT WAS THAT BAR

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IN WACO, REMEMBER?"

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THEY GO, "OH."

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AND THEY SORT OF WALK AWAY.

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[upbeat music]

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>> NO, NO ONE KNOWS MY NAME.

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"YEAH, JAY, IT'S HIM, IT'S HIM."

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>> THEY KNOW THEY KNOW ME, BUT

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THEY DON'T KNOW FROM.

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"WE GO TO COLLEGE?

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DID YOU LIVE--DO YOU LIVE IN

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SEATTLE?"

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I REMEMBER I WAS IN HAWAII,

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AND SOMEBODY SAID, "DO YOU

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LIVE IN SEATTLE?"

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I SAID, "WELL, I'VE SPENT TIME

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IN SEATTLE."

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>> I'M THAT GUY.

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AS MY FANS APPARENTLY TELL ME.

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"OH, MOM, THAT GUY'S ON AGAIN.

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THAT'S--IT'S THAT GUY."

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>> "YOU KNOW THAT GUY.

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YOU KNOW, THAT GUY.

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YOU KNOW THAT GUY WHO WAS IN

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THE OTHER MOVIE.

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HE WAS IN THAT TV SHOW.

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THAT GUY."

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>> IF I NEVER HAVE A CAREER LIKE

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GEORGE CLOONEY, THE BIG MOVIE

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STAR THAT HE IS, I CAN LIVE

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WITH THAT.

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BUT IF I CAN HAVE A CAREER LIKE

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TOM WILKINSON WHO DOES GREAT,

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GREAT SUPPORTING ROLES LIKE

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EVERY TIME OUT, I COULD--

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I COULD DIE A HAPPY MAN.

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>> I REMEMBER BEING ABOUT SEVEN

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YEARS OLD AND I RAN DOWNSTAIRS,

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AND I WENT INTO MY DAD'S OFFICE

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WHERE HE WAS WORKING AWAY.

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AND I SAID, "DAD, I KNOW WHAT

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I WANT TO DO."

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AND HE SAID, "WHAT?"

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I SAID, "I WANT TO BE A MOVIE

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ACTOR."

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AND HE LAUGHED AND JUST SAID,

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"WELL, SON, YOU KNOW, THAT'S

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A--THAT'S A PRETTY TOUGH LIFE."

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>> I HAVE AN UNCLE WHO WAS AN

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ACTOR, HENRY GIBSON, WHO I GREW

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UP WATCHING ON TELEVISION ON

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"LAUGH-IN."

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SO IT DIDN'T SEEM LIKE THAT

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IMPOSSIBLE TO ME.

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>> I REMEMBER AT 15 WANTING TO

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BE AN ACTOR BECAUSE I WATCHED

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A LOT OF FILMS WITH MY DAD,

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WATCHED A LOT OF THE, YOU KNOW,

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THE EARLY "BOND" FILMS,

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"SPARTACUS,"

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ALL OF JOHN WAYNE'S.

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>> I'M A LITTLE KID.

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EVERY TIME I GO TO THE MOVIES,

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I GET MY POPCORN, AND I GET

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MY M&M'S AND I DUMP THE M&M'S

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IN THE POPCORN AND SHAKE 'EM UP.

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[laughs]

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AND I'M, YOU KNOW, SITTING

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THERE ALONE IN THE DARK,

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YOU KNOW, OR I'M HANGING OUT

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WITH SOMEBODY, AND IT'S LIKE

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MAGIC IS ABOUT TO HAPPEN.

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AND I STILL GET EXCITED

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ABOUT IT.

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>> THERE'S ALL THESE PICTURES

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OF ME PLAYING ROBIN HOOD WHEN

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I WAS, LIKE, THREE.

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I THINK I PRETTY MUCH NEVER

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WANTED TOYS.

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I JUST WANTED COSTUMES.

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>> WHEN I WAS A-A YOUNGSTER,

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I HAD A LITTLE 45 RECORD

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OF CLAUDE RAINS DOING

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"DAVID AND GOLIATH."

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AND IF I EVER WAS IN A

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POSITION WHERE I HAD TO GO TO

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BED AND THERE WAS COMPANY,

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I WOULD DO CLAUDE RAINS

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DOING "DAVID AND GOLIATH."

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AND I'D STAY UP FOR HOURS.

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[as Claude Rains]

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"THIS IS THE STORY OF

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'DAVID AND GOLIATH,' THE YOUNG

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SHEPHERD BOY AND THE GIANT."

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AND, YOU KNOW, THE ADULTS WOULD

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ALL FALL DOWN BECAUSE IT'S

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COMING OUT OF A KID.

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IT'S--YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST

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SOMETHING I COULD DO AND THEN

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I DIDN'T HAVE TO GO TO BED.

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>> IN THE THIRD GRADE, THERE--

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MY FRIEND ELAINE ROSEN WAS IN

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A PLAY.

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SHE WAS IN THE FOURTH GRADE,

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AND SHE GOT TO PLAY THE KING.

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AND THE KING GOT TO EAT CREAM

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PUFFS.

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AND I'M NOT BEING FACETIOUS.

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IT MADE SUCH AN INDELIBLE

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IMPRINT ON ME, THAT THIS WOULD

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BE REALLY COOL.

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EVERYBODY LOOKS AT YOU, AND THEY

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GIVE YOU CREAM PUFFS.

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>> AND THEN IT SHOULD BE THIS

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GREAT THING WHEN YOU ARRIVE.

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YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE THIS IDEA

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OF, YOU KNOW, HOLLYWOOD HEAVEN

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THAT YOU'D GO INTO.

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IT'S JUST FUCKING NOT THERE.

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>> I JUST KNEW THERE WAS

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NOTHING ELSE THAT MADE ANY SENSE

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TO ME.

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I DON'T FEEL I MADE A CHOICE.

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IT WAS--IT WAS--I MEAN, I MADE

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A CHOICE OF WHAT SCHOOL TO GO

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TO BASED ON THAT, AND I MADE A

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CHOICE OF HOW TO GO ABOUT IT,

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BUT I DIDN'T--I DIDN'T MAKE A

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CHOICE BECAUSE THERE WERE OTHER

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OPTIONS.

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THERE WERE NO OTHER OPTIONS.

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>> I DON'T KNOW TOO MUCH ELSE

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BUT ACTING, AND A LITTLE BIT OF,

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YOU KNOW, I CAN READ STATUES

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IN LATIN.

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>> THE IDEA THAT YOU COULD LEARN

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LINES AND BECOME ANOTHER

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CHARACTER BY SAYING THOSE LINES

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JUST THRILLED ME.

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>> WHEN I WAS A KID AND I WANTED

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TO BE AN ACTOR, I WANTED

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RECOGNITION.

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AND I WANTED TO WALK DOWN THE

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STREET AND PEOPLE GO,

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"THERE'S THAT GUY."

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AND WHEN IT ACTUALLY HAPPENS,

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IT IS A--IT'S--IT'S A WEIRD

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EXPERIENCE.

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>> I ALWAYS THOUGHT I WAS A

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CHARACTER ACTOR.

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>> AND, YOU KNOW, I-I THINK

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IT'S ONE OF THE COOLEST THINGS

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THAT--THAT ANYONE CAN BE CALLED.

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>> I DIDN'T USED TO.

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I WAS LIKE, "A CHARACTER ACTOR?

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AM I THAT UGLY?"

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>> I GUESS CHARACTER ACTOR MEANS

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YOU'RE NOT THE ONE THAT EVERYONE

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WANTS TO GO TO BED WITH.

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>> I DON'T KNOW WHAT CHARACTER

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ACTOR MEANS ANYMORE.

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IT USED TO BE CHARACTER ACTOR

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WAS LIKE, YOU KNOW, THE FAT GUY

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OR THE SKINNY GUY OR, YOU KNOW,

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THE GUY WITH THE NOSE--

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YOU KNOW, LIKE THIS WHICH IS NOT

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THAT FAR FROM MY NOSE.

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>> HE'S--HE COULD BE THE BAD

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GUY.

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HE CAN BE THE GOOD GUY.

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HE CAN--NORMALLY, HE'S--HE

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MOTIVATES THE STORY, YOU KNOW.

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HE'S THE ONE WHO ROBS THE BANK

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OR IS THE, YOU KNOW, THE FATHER

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OF THE LEADING GUY.

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>> I MOVE PLOT IS MY--AS I

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JOKINGLY TELL MY WIFE.

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YOU KNOW, I'M OFTEN IN A

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TRAILER.

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YOU'RE WATCHING THE TRAILER AND

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YOU'RE, LIKE, "OH, WHAT'S THIS?

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WHAT'S THIS ABOUT?"

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AND RIGHT THEN I GO--

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[snaps fingers]

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"YOU'RE BANKRUPT, SIR."

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LIKE, "OH, THAT'S WHAT THE

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MOVIE'S ABOUT.

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OH, I SEE.

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IT'S A ROMANTIC COMEDY."

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>> I LIKE TO SAY I'M A WORKING

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STIFF ACTOR.

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>> PEOPLE DO HAVE THIS

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MISCONCEPTION THAT UNLESS YOU

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ARE STEVEN SPIELBERG OR

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JACK NICHOLSON OR WHOEVER,

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FILL-IN-THE-BLANK, THAT YOU'RE

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NOTHING.

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>> IF YOU'RE LUCKY ENOUGH,

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YOU'RE GOING TO GET TO MAKE YOUR

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LIVING SOMEWHERE IN THE MIDDLE

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WITHOUT GETTING TOO MUCH

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ATTENTION, BUT WORKING ENOUGH

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THAT YOU CAN ACTUALLY MAKE A

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LIVING AT IT, YOU KNOW.

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AND IT'S KIND OF IDEAL IN A WAY.

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>> AND THE BOTTOM LINE IS,

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DID YOU GET THE JOB?

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THEY CAN CALL YOU WHATEVER THEY

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WANT.

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>> I GET RECOGNIZED JUST ENOUGH.

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IT--IT'S LIKE I HAVE THIS REALLY

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NICE LOW LEVEL OF

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RECOGNIZABILITY WHERE PEOPLE

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ARE ONLY KIND OF GONNA DO IT

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IF THEY HAVE SOMETHING NICE

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TO SAY.

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>> I MEAN, I-I CAN JUST POINT

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AT CHARACTER ACTORS I'VE SEEN

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OVER THE YEARS WHO I DON'T KNOW

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THE NAME OF.

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I'M GREGORY ITZIN, BY THE WAY.

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[laughs]

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>> THEY MAY NOT KNOW MY NAME,

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THEY SURE KNOW MY FACE.

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>> "YOU WERE, YOU KNOW, AT THE

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TEACHER CONFERENCE I JUST HAD,

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RIGHT?"

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>> OFTENTIMES, I'LL COME INTO

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A RESTAURANT AND I SIT.

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SOMEBODY WILL SAY TO ME, "OH."

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I'VE NEVER BEEN THERE BEFORE.

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"OH, WE HAVEN'T SEEN YOU FOR

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A LONG TIME."

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>> THIS IS THE ONE I DO HATE.

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"SO, TELL ME WHAT YOU'VE BEEN

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IN."

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NO.

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NO.

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YOU TELL ME.

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I SAID, "I'M NOT GONNA RECITE

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WHAT I'VE DONE, SO YOU CAN

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FIGURE IT OUT."

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>> I ALWAYS SAY THAT IF MY WIFE

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WOULD LET ME, I WOULD WEAR A

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T-SHIRT THAT SAYS, "HEY, I'M ON

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TV."

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ONCE I SEE THE TWINKLE OF

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RECOGNITION IN SOMEONE'S EYE

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AND THEY START MAKING THE

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BEELINE, IT'S--IT--DEPENDING ON

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THEIR AGE, IF IT'S SOMEBODY

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UNDER 30, IT'S GONNA BE

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"PSYCH" NOW.

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IF IT'S A FEMALE OVER 30,

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IT'S GONNA BE "JUDGING AMY."

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AND IF THEY'RE REALLY HIP,

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IT'LL BE "DEADWOOD."

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>> WITH "MOMMIE DEAREST,"

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THE GAY CROWD KNEW ME FOR YEARS.

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ANY KIND OF METALHEAD YOUNGSTER

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WOULD KNOW ME FROM

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"TERMINATOR 2."

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ANY PUNK OF WHATEVER AGE WOULD

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KNOW ME FROM "SID AND NANCY."

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>> PEOPLE MY AGE, IT WAS

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"WILLARD."

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YOU KNOW, "X-MEN" NOW.

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>> I DON'T LIKE IT WHEN PEOPLE

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WALK UP TO ME AND--LIKE, THEY

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KNOW ME.

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I KNOW YOU JUST SAW ME ON TV,

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BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN WE'RE,

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LIKE, BUDDIES OR PALS.

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I'M GOING TO BE NICE AND

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CORDIAL, BUT DON'T GO PUNCHING

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ME IN THE ARM OR DON'T, YOU

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KNOW, ASK ME FOR MY CELL PHONE

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NUMBER OR ANYTHING.

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>> OH, THE FUNNIEST ONE WAS

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I WAS WITH MY YOUNGEST DAUGHTER.

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SHE WAS JUST A BABY.

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AND I'M TAKING HER TO CEDARS,

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TO THE HOSPITAL TO GET HER

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CHECKUP.

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THIS WOMAN COMES IN THE

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ELEVATOR, AND THEN SHE LOOKS AT

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ME AND SHE GOES--

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[gasps]

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"OH, MY GOD!

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YOU'RE THAT MAN.

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YOU'RE THAT DIRTY MAN, AND YOU

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HAVE A CHILD?"

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AND MY DAUGHTER'S WAKING UP.

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AND I'M LIKE, "LADY, FOR GOD'S

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SAKE, I'M AN ACTOR."

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>> BUT THE BEST IS WHEN YOU GO

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TO A CHECKOUT COUNTER OR YOU GO

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AND, YOU KNOW, AND THEY'RE

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DEALING WITH YOU AND EVERYTHING

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IS GOING, AND AS YOU'RE WALKING

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AWAY, I'VE HAD PEOPLE SAY,

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"THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT,"

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OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

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SO THEY LET YOU KNOW THAT THEY

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KNOW WHO YOU ARE BUT THEY

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DON'T--THEY DON'T BOTHER YOU.

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>> SO, TO HAVE PEOPLE COME UP

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AND--AND SAY THEY LIKE WHAT YOU

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DO, THEY LIKE YOUR WORK, YOU

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GOT THROUGH THEM ON SOME LEVEL--

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IT'S THE MOST GRATIFYING THING

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IN THE WORLD.

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>> I THINK YOU'RE LUCKY IF YOU

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ARE ABLE TO MAKE A LIVING IN

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HOLLYWOOD ANY WAY AS AN ACTOR,

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BUT IT--I THINK YOU'RE VERY

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LUCKY IF YOU GET A CHANCE TO

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MAKE A LIVING DOING DIFFERENT

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CHARACTERS EVERY TIME.

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>> IF YOU LOOK AT THE RANGE OF

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ROLES I'VE PLAYED FROM,

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"ELVIRA: MISTRESS OF THE DARK,"

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YOU KNOW, TO "BABYLON 5.

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THAT'S WHERE WE'RE LUCKIER THAN

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THE STARS.

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>> I'VE GONE FROM WEIRDO,

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FREAKO PSYCHOTICS TO SENSITIVE

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DADS.

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AFTER "LONGTIME COMPANION," I

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HAD SENSITIVE PARTS WITH DYING

333
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EVERYBODY FOR A WHILE.

334
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NOW, IT'S EVIL WASPS.

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>> I'M CONSTANTLY BEING CAST AS

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VERY CONFIDENT, YOU KNOW,

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BUSINESSMAN TYPES.

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I DO GET A LITTLE TIRED OF IT.

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I'M EXCITED TO PLAY SOMEBODY

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LIKE--WELL, MORE LIKE ME.

341
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YOU KNOW, JEANS AND, YOU KNOW,

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A PORKPIE HAT, MAYBE AN

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ATTITUDE, EARRINGS ALL THREE OF

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THE HOLES.

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I'VE LOST WORK BECAUSE OF THIS.

346
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>> "WE NEED THE ATTORNEY

347
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WHO'S GONNA LOSE THE CASE."

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"YEAH, WELL, BOB JOY,

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HE'LL BE A GOOD CHOICE."

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OR "WE NEED THE AXE MURDERER

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WHO'S GONNA, YOU KNOW--YOU KNOW,

352
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KILL THE LITTLE GIRL."

353
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"OH, THAT WOULD BE BOB JOY,

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RIGHT?"

355
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>> YOU GET TYPECAST FROM THE

356
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NEXT FIVE YEARS, WHICH IS GREAT.

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YOU KNOW, IT'S NICE TO HAVE AN

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IDENTITY AS LONG AS YOU CAN

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KEEP CHANGING IT.

360
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>> I HAD TO QUIT PLAYING BAD

361
00:11:00,060 --> 00:11:02,162
GUYS FOR A WHILE BECAUSE I HAD

362
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A CASTING DIRECTOR SAY TO ME

363
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ONCE, "WELL, LET'S FACE IT.

364
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YOU'LL NEVER PLAY THE NICE GUY

365
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NEXT DOOR."

366
00:11:09,336 --> 00:11:11,805
AND I GO, "WHAT DO YOU MEAN?

367
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I AM THE NICE GUY NEXT DOOR.

368
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GO TALK TO ALL THE OLD LADIES

369
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DOWN THE BLOCK AND ASK THEM WHO

370
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THE NICE GUY NEXT DOOR IS, AND

371
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I GUARANTEE THEY'LL ALL SAY

372
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IT'S ME."

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>> I WAS AFRAID TO COME TO

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HOLLYWOOD INITIALLY BECAUSE

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I SAID, "WELL, I'M GOING TO GET

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TYPECAST.

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I'M GONNA BE, YOU KNOW,

378
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THE BAD GUY OR--"

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[laughs]

380
00:11:30,758 --> 00:11:32,325
"YOU KNOW, THE--THE ATHLETE."

381
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I'M HAPPY TO SAY THAT I HAVEN'T

382
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BEEN TYPECAST.

383
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>> THERE'S ONE THING WORSE THAN

384
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BEING TYPECAST, AND THAT'S NOT

385
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CAST.

386
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I'VE LIVED MY LIFE FOR THAT,

387
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I CAN'T WAIT TO BE A TYPE,

388
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WHERE PEOPLE PICK THE PHONE UP

389
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AND GO, "THAT'S WHO I WANT.

390
00:11:44,471 --> 00:11:46,874
THAT'S THE GUY WE WANT."

391
00:11:46,907 --> 00:11:47,875
>> I DON'T QUITE UNDERSTAND

392
00:11:47,875 --> 00:11:48,776
PEOPLE WHO WANT TO PLAY NICE

393
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GUYS ALL THE TIME.

394
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I THINK, "ISN'T THAT JUST

395
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SKATING ON THE SURFACE?"

396
00:11:51,879 --> 00:11:52,846
THAT'S SO CLICHE.

397
00:11:52,846 --> 00:11:53,947
>> YEAH, I PLAY A LOT OF NASTY

398
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CHARACTERS.

399
00:11:59,519 --> 00:12:00,888
IT'S WHAT I GET CAST TO DO.

400
00:12:00,888 --> 00:12:02,422
I KIND--I KIND OF LOOK LIKE

401
00:12:02,422 --> 00:12:03,957
AN ASSHOLE, SO I GET CAST

402
00:12:03,957 --> 00:12:05,092
AS ASSHOLE CHARACTERS.

403
00:12:05,125 --> 00:12:06,526
BUT SOMETIMES I WOULD FIND

404
00:12:06,526 --> 00:12:07,861
MYSELF SAYING STUFF LIKE

405
00:12:07,861 --> 00:12:09,129
BELLICK WOULD SAY, HAVING THE

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00:12:09,129 --> 00:12:11,264
SAME KIND OF NEGATIVE ATTITUDE,

407
00:12:11,264 --> 00:12:12,265
GETTING PISSED OFF AT PEOPLE

408
00:12:12,265 --> 00:12:13,133
AND STUFF.

409
00:12:13,166 --> 00:12:14,134
YEAH, I CALL IT CHARACTER

410
00:12:14,134 --> 00:12:15,002
HANGOVER.

411
00:12:15,002 --> 00:12:16,970
I DON'T LIKE HAVING TO GO INTO

412
00:12:16,970 --> 00:12:18,105
THE--THIS HORRIBLE KIND OF

413
00:12:18,105 --> 00:12:19,539
PSYCHE OF A GUY LIKE THAT.

414
00:12:19,539 --> 00:12:20,941
HE'S A HORRIBLE PERSON.

415
00:12:20,941 --> 00:12:21,842
>> YOU KNOW, IF I GOT TO PLAY

416
00:12:21,842 --> 00:12:22,843
ONE MORE NICE GUY, I'M GONNA

417
00:12:22,843 --> 00:12:23,543
CUT MY HEAD OFF.

418
00:12:23,576 --> 00:12:25,545
I GOT AN INNER DEMON, A

419
00:12:25,545 --> 00:12:28,181
PATHOLOGICAL NUT INSIDE ME JUST

420
00:12:28,181 --> 00:12:29,316
ACHING TO GET OUT.

421
00:12:29,316 --> 00:12:30,550
>> AS AN ACTOR, AS A CHARACTER

422
00:12:30,550 --> 00:12:31,952
ACTOR, ESPECIALLY YOU GET TO

423
00:12:31,952 --> 00:12:33,086
PLAY A LOT OF DEMENTED

424
00:12:33,086 --> 00:12:34,187
CHARACTERS.

425
00:12:34,187 --> 00:12:36,023
YOU GET TO GO PLACES AND SORT

426
00:12:36,023 --> 00:12:38,525
OF PRETEND LIKE A KID.

427
00:12:38,525 --> 00:12:40,427
>> WHEN WE WERE KIDS, MY MOM

428
00:12:40,427 --> 00:12:43,030
PUT US IN TALENT SHOWS.

429
00:12:43,063 --> 00:12:45,065
AND WE WERE--WE WERE SO POOR.

430
00:12:45,065 --> 00:12:46,499
I REMEMBER WE WERE--WHEN WE WERE

431
00:12:46,499 --> 00:12:49,402
REALLY YOUNG, YOU KNOW, WE LIVED

432
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PRETTY MUCH IN THE GHETTO IN

433
00:12:50,270 --> 00:12:51,138
DETROIT.

434
00:12:51,138 --> 00:12:52,005
SHE WAS IN THE LIVING ROOM

435
00:12:52,005 --> 00:12:53,040
ONE DAY PULLING OFF THE DRAPES.

436
00:12:53,073 --> 00:12:54,174
AND SHE BEGAN CUTTING THEM UP.

437
00:12:54,174 --> 00:12:55,909
SHE--SHE MADE OUR COSTUMES OUT

438
00:12:55,909 --> 00:12:57,044
OF THOSE.

439
00:12:57,077 --> 00:12:58,846
I CREDIT ALL MY CREATIVE

440
00:12:58,846 --> 00:13:00,013
INSTINCTS FROM HER.

441
00:13:00,013 --> 00:13:01,048
>> WELL, A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THE

442
00:13:01,048 --> 00:13:02,249
INDUSTRY COME FROM TRANSIENT

443
00:13:02,249 --> 00:13:03,116
SITUATIONS.

444
00:13:03,116 --> 00:13:04,351
MY MOTHER AND I SAT DOWN ONE

445
00:13:04,351 --> 00:13:06,820
DAY, AND WE COUNTED OUT THAT WE

446
00:13:06,820 --> 00:13:07,888
HAVE LIVED IN 18 DIFFERENT

447
00:13:07,888 --> 00:13:09,256
HOUSES BY THE TIME I WAS 18.

448
00:13:09,289 --> 00:13:10,490
>> MY FATHER WAS A PHARMACIST.

449
00:13:10,490 --> 00:13:11,825
MY MOTHER WAS A NURSE.

450
00:13:11,825 --> 00:13:12,592
NOBODY HAS EVER BEEN INVOLVED

451
00:13:12,592 --> 00:13:13,460
IN ACTING.

452
00:13:13,493 --> 00:13:14,361
>> MY FATHER WAS A MARINE FOR

453
00:13:14,361 --> 00:13:15,829
24 YEARS, AND THEN HE HAD

454
00:13:15,829 --> 00:13:17,865
A WHOLE ANOTHER CAREER AS AN

455
00:13:17,865 --> 00:13:18,899
OFFICER OF THE BANK OF

456
00:13:18,899 --> 00:13:19,599
BURLINGTON.

457
00:13:19,599 --> 00:13:20,600
BURLINGTON, WISCONSIN.

458
00:13:20,600 --> 00:13:21,869
HE DID THAT FOR 20 YEARS.

459
00:13:21,902 --> 00:13:24,237
HE WAS THE MAYOR OF BURLINGTON

460
00:13:24,237 --> 00:13:26,106
AND LATER A COUNTY COUNCILMAN.

461
00:13:26,106 --> 00:13:27,474
SO HE WAS VERY INVOLVED IN

462
00:13:27,474 --> 00:13:28,842
LOCAL POLITICS AND WAS NOT AN

463
00:13:28,842 --> 00:13:29,509
ACTOR.

464
00:13:29,542 --> 00:13:31,178
AND AS A MATTER OF FACT,

465
00:13:31,178 --> 00:13:32,412
CONFESSED TO ME HOW DIFFICULT

466
00:13:32,412 --> 00:13:33,513
IT WAS FOR HIM TO DO PUBLIC

467
00:13:33,513 --> 00:13:34,381
SPEAKING.

468
00:13:34,414 --> 00:13:35,849
>> MY FATHER WAS A MONK.

469
00:13:35,849 --> 00:13:37,317
HE LEFT MY MOM AND THE FAMILY

470
00:13:37,317 --> 00:13:38,185
AND BECAME A MONK.

471
00:13:38,218 --> 00:13:39,319
AND WE DIDN'T HEAR FROM HIM FOR

472
00:13:39,319 --> 00:13:40,620
ABOUT FIVE YEARS.

473
00:13:40,620 --> 00:13:42,122
WELL, WE KEEP IN TOUCH, BUT HE'S

474
00:13:42,122 --> 00:13:43,323
A MONK, SO WE CAN'T REALLY TALK

475
00:13:43,323 --> 00:13:44,324
TO HIM VERY MUCH.

476
00:13:44,324 --> 00:13:46,293
[laughs]

477
00:13:46,293 --> 00:13:48,328
>> MY FATHER'S AN ELECTRONICS

478
00:13:48,328 --> 00:13:50,363
ENGINEER WHO WORKS IN--GOD, HELP

479
00:13:50,363 --> 00:13:51,364
ME, I HAVE A BOOK OF HIS

480
00:13:51,364 --> 00:13:52,265
SOMEWHERE HERE.

481
00:13:52,265 --> 00:13:54,367
UH, IT'S, LIKE, MICROWAVE

482
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COMMUNICATIONS AND--AND SOLID

483
00:13:56,636 --> 00:13:58,038
STATE CIRCUITRY.

484
00:13:58,038 --> 00:13:59,472
AND I GET COMPLETELY LOST.

485
00:13:59,472 --> 00:14:01,608
>> SO I HAD BLOND, WISPY HAIR

486
00:14:01,608 --> 00:14:02,876
AS A KID.

487
00:14:02,876 --> 00:14:05,312
ALWAYS DID TILL THE DAY I WAS--

488
00:14:05,312 --> 00:14:07,380
ENTERED COLLEGE AND ALMOST

489
00:14:07,380 --> 00:14:08,581
PROMPTLY, IT WENT INTO FULL

490
00:14:08,581 --> 00:14:09,449
RETREAT.

491
00:14:09,449 --> 00:14:10,583
MY PARENTS WHO'VE ALWAYS BEEN

492
00:14:10,583 --> 00:14:11,584
VERY HONEST AND CANDID WITH ME

493
00:14:11,584 --> 00:14:13,286
ABOUT MY PURSUIT OF ACTING,

494
00:14:13,286 --> 00:14:14,187
WERE LIKE, "WELL, MATT, YOU

495
00:14:14,187 --> 00:14:17,224
KNOW, YOU HAVE A SITUATION.

496
00:14:17,224 --> 00:14:19,059
AND YOUR FACE AND YOUR BODY ARE,

497
00:14:19,059 --> 00:14:19,960
YOU KNOW, OF A 19-YEAR-OLD,

498
00:14:19,960 --> 00:14:22,095
AND YOUR HAIR LOOKS 35.

499
00:14:22,095 --> 00:14:24,064
FOR A GRADUATION GIFT, WE WOULD

500
00:14:24,064 --> 00:14:25,265
LIKE YOU TO CONSIDER

501
00:14:25,265 --> 00:14:27,467
A-A TOUPEE."

502
00:14:27,467 --> 00:14:28,501
SO I'M LIKE, "OKAY.

503
00:14:28,501 --> 00:14:30,437
I GUESS--GO OVER ALONG ROUTE 20

504
00:14:30,437 --> 00:14:32,372
IN UPSTATE NEW YORK," WHICH IS

505
00:14:32,372 --> 00:14:33,440
REALLY NOT THE PLACE TO GO

506
00:14:33,440 --> 00:14:34,307
SHOPPING FOR HAIR.

507
00:14:34,307 --> 00:14:36,009
IN HINDSIGHT, YOU SEE NOW,

508
00:14:36,009 --> 00:14:36,977
BUT I GET IN THERE, AND HE'S

509
00:14:36,977 --> 00:14:37,945
TELLING ME THIS THING, "IT'S

510
00:14:37,945 --> 00:14:39,412
A WEAVE, AND IT'LL BE NICE,

511
00:14:39,412 --> 00:14:40,948
AND YOU'LL, YOU KNOW--IT'S

512
00:14:40,948 --> 00:14:42,449
MADE--HANDMADE IN HAITI, AND

513
00:14:42,449 --> 00:14:45,418
YOU'LL REALLY LIKE THIS."

514
00:14:45,418 --> 00:14:47,620
"OKAY."

515
00:14:47,620 --> 00:14:50,290
ANYWAY, IT TURNS OUT OBVIOUSLY

516
00:14:50,290 --> 00:14:52,525
THAT BABY DOC DUVALIER IS DOWN

517
00:14:52,525 --> 00:14:53,493
THERE MAKING A MESS OF THINGS,

518
00:14:53,493 --> 00:14:54,527
AND EVERYONE'S THROWING HIM OUT

519
00:14:54,527 --> 00:14:55,595
ON HIS ASS AND BURNING

520
00:14:55,595 --> 00:14:56,463
EVERYTHING DOWN.

521
00:14:56,463 --> 00:14:57,697
MY ROOMMATES WERE WATCHING IT

522
00:14:57,697 --> 00:14:59,132
ON THE NEWS, AND THEY'LL SEE

523
00:14:59,132 --> 00:15:00,467
LIKE, YOU KNOW, MAYHEM.

524
00:15:00,467 --> 00:15:02,502
AND, LIKE, ONE GUY'S LIKE, "HEY,

525
00:15:02,502 --> 00:15:03,971
I THINK THAT WOMAN WHO'S RUNNING

526
00:15:03,971 --> 00:15:05,138
FROM THAT BURNING HUT HAS YOUR

527
00:15:05,138 --> 00:15:06,006
TOUPEE IN HER HAND.

528
00:15:06,006 --> 00:15:06,673
LOOK, YEAH."

529
00:15:06,673 --> 00:15:09,142
FINALLY, THEY CALL, IT'S READY.

530
00:15:09,142 --> 00:15:10,477
AND I GO BACK TO SCHOOL, AND I'M

531
00:15:10,477 --> 00:15:11,511
ASKING PEOPLE, AND THEY'RE ALL

532
00:15:11,511 --> 00:15:13,413
KIND OF LIKE, "AH, YEAH.

533
00:15:13,413 --> 00:15:15,482
AH, YEAH, OKAY."

534
00:15:15,482 --> 00:15:16,984
IT'S FUNNY WHAT YOU CAN TALK

535
00:15:16,984 --> 00:15:18,685
YOURSELF INTO WHEN YOU--WHEN

536
00:15:18,685 --> 00:15:20,253
YOU GET INTO IT, OR YOU THINK,

537
00:15:20,253 --> 00:15:22,589
"MAYBE NO ONE WILL NOTICE."

538
00:15:22,589 --> 00:15:24,124
THEN YEARS LATER I'VE--I'VE

539
00:15:24,124 --> 00:15:26,226
GOTTEN THESE HIGH-END ONES THAT

540
00:15:26,226 --> 00:15:31,598
ARE VERY--THAT ARE SUBTLE.

541
00:15:31,598 --> 00:15:33,333
IT IS FUN.

542
00:15:33,333 --> 00:15:34,567
THIS PART OF IT, YOU KNOW,

543
00:15:34,567 --> 00:15:37,104
IT DOES GET BACK TO WHAT YOU

544
00:15:37,104 --> 00:15:38,738
JUMPED INTO THEATER FOR IN THE

545
00:15:38,738 --> 00:15:40,140
BEGINNING WAS TO TRY TO BECOME

546
00:15:40,140 --> 00:15:41,541
SOMETHING DIFFERENT, TO LOOK

547
00:15:41,541 --> 00:15:42,409
IN THE MIRROR AND TAKE

548
00:15:42,409 --> 00:15:43,643
A VACATION FROM YOURSELF.

549
00:15:43,643 --> 00:15:44,511
GET A LOAD OF THIS, RIGHT?

550
00:15:44,511 --> 00:15:48,248
IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE YOUR

551
00:15:48,248 --> 00:15:49,649
MATERNAL GRANDFATHER IS WHERE

552
00:15:49,649 --> 00:15:51,451
YOUR HAIRLINE, YOUR HAIR GENE

553
00:15:51,451 --> 00:15:52,319
COMES FROM.

554
00:15:52,319 --> 00:15:53,720
I WON THE LOTTERY ON THAT ONE.

555
00:15:53,720 --> 00:15:54,754
>> WELL, BEFORE I WAS AN ACTOR,

556
00:15:54,754 --> 00:15:55,989
I WAS--I WAS A DANCER.

557
00:15:55,989 --> 00:15:58,558
I USED TO, UH, SPIN ON MY HEAD,

558
00:15:58,558 --> 00:15:59,426
BELIEVE IT OR NOT.

559
00:15:59,426 --> 00:16:00,727
[laughs]

560
00:16:00,727 --> 00:16:02,029
MY BROTHER AND I WERE--WERE

561
00:16:02,029 --> 00:16:02,729
BREAK-DANCERS.

562
00:16:02,729 --> 00:16:04,397
THIS IS TALKING, LIKE, MID-'80s

563
00:16:04,397 --> 00:16:05,332
WHEN THE BREAK-DANCING SCENE

564
00:16:05,332 --> 00:16:06,199
CAME OUT TO HOLLYWOOD WHEN

565
00:16:06,199 --> 00:16:07,400
I WAS 19.

566
00:16:07,400 --> 00:16:08,368
IT WAS TO COMPETE ON THIS

567
00:16:08,368 --> 00:16:09,569
TV SHOW CALLED "DANCE FEVER."

568
00:16:09,569 --> 00:16:10,703
NOW EVERYBODY KNOWS.

569
00:16:10,703 --> 00:16:13,273
[laughs]

570
00:16:13,306 --> 00:16:14,474
>> WHEN I WAS 19 YEARS OLD,

571
00:16:14,474 --> 00:16:16,576
I THOUGHT THAT THE BEST THING

572
00:16:16,576 --> 00:16:20,713
WOULD--TO DO TO BE AN ACTOR

573
00:16:20,713 --> 00:16:22,282
UNTIL I BECAME A GREAT ACTOR,

574
00:16:22,282 --> 00:16:23,750
WHICH WAS GOING TO BE

575
00:16:23,750 --> 00:16:25,152
WHEN I WAS 35.

576
00:16:25,185 --> 00:16:26,619
I WOULD GO THEN INTO MEDICAL

577
00:16:26,619 --> 00:16:28,455
SCHOOL, BECOME A BRAIN SURGEON.

578
00:16:28,455 --> 00:16:31,258
AND BY 42, I NEEDED TO BE DOING

579
00:16:31,258 --> 00:16:32,192
BRAIN SURGERY.

580
00:16:32,192 --> 00:16:34,394
AND THEN BY 60, I WAS GOING TO

581
00:16:34,394 --> 00:16:36,196
BECOME--I WAS GOING TO RUN FOR

582
00:16:36,196 --> 00:16:37,564
PUBLIC OFFICE.

583
00:16:37,564 --> 00:16:39,099
AND THAT WAS THE PLAN WHEN

584
00:16:39,099 --> 00:16:39,766
I WAS 19.

585
00:16:39,766 --> 00:16:41,534
I'M A LITTLE LATE, ESPECIALLY

586
00:16:41,534 --> 00:16:42,469
ON BECOMING A GREAT ACTOR.

587
00:16:42,502 --> 00:16:44,337
YOU KNOW, IT'S, YOU KNOW,

588
00:16:44,337 --> 00:16:45,505
I'M STILL WAITING FOR THAT,

589
00:16:45,505 --> 00:16:47,074
TO CONVINCE MYSELF THAT

590
00:16:47,074 --> 00:16:47,740
I'M THAT.

591
00:16:47,740 --> 00:16:50,243
>> MY DAD WHO BASICALLY DEALT

592
00:16:50,243 --> 00:16:51,644
WITH NUMBERS ALL HIS LIFE--

593
00:16:51,644 --> 00:16:54,247
HIS AUNT DIED, AND HE GOT THIS

594
00:16:54,247 --> 00:16:58,051
TRUNK THAT WAS HIS MOTHER'S.

595
00:16:58,085 --> 00:17:00,553
AND WE OPEN IT, AND IT WAS FULL

596
00:17:00,553 --> 00:17:04,457
OF MEMENTOS OF HIS, LIKE, YOUTH

597
00:17:04,457 --> 00:17:05,325
AND 20s.

598
00:17:05,358 --> 00:17:06,659
AND THERE WAS A PICTURE OF HIM

599
00:17:06,659 --> 00:17:10,697
AT ABOUT 27 SINGING IN

600
00:17:10,697 --> 00:17:11,764
A NIGHT CLUB.

601
00:17:11,798 --> 00:17:16,303
AND I WAS LIKE, "WHAT THE FUCK

602
00:17:16,303 --> 00:17:18,138
IS THIS?"

603
00:17:18,138 --> 00:17:19,206
AND HE'S LIKE, "OH, THAT'S--

604
00:17:19,206 --> 00:17:20,807
THAT'S ME SINGING IN THE ELKS

605
00:17:20,807 --> 00:17:21,708
CLUB AT HINEMA--

606
00:17:21,708 --> 00:17:22,809
IN HELENA, MONTANA.

607
00:17:22,809 --> 00:17:24,544
PULL UP SOME SHEET MUSIC.

608
00:17:24,544 --> 00:17:25,478
"WHY IS YOUR NAME ON THE SHEET

609
00:17:25,478 --> 00:17:26,346
MUSIC?"

610
00:17:26,346 --> 00:17:27,314
"OH, IT'S A SONG I WROTE."

611
00:17:27,314 --> 00:17:28,615
"WHAT?"

612
00:17:28,615 --> 00:17:30,183
>> MY MOTHER WAS ENGLISH.

613
00:17:30,183 --> 00:17:31,484
AND I WAS BROUGHT UP IN IRELAND.

614
00:17:31,484 --> 00:17:32,585
IT WAS 1939.

615
00:17:32,585 --> 00:17:33,520
THE WAR, THEY STARTED BOMBING

616
00:17:33,520 --> 00:17:34,821
ENGLAND, AND THEY SHIPPED ME

617
00:17:34,821 --> 00:17:35,688
OUT.

618
00:17:35,688 --> 00:17:36,589
THEY SHIPPED ALL THE KIDS OUT

619
00:17:36,589 --> 00:17:37,457
OF LONDON.

620
00:17:37,457 --> 00:17:38,325
AND THEY SHIPPED ME TO

621
00:17:38,325 --> 00:17:39,859
RELATIVES, TO MY GRANNY AND TO

622
00:17:39,859 --> 00:17:40,860
MY AUNTIE RITA, WHO BROUGHT ME

623
00:17:40,860 --> 00:17:41,728
UP IN DUBLIN.

624
00:17:41,761 --> 00:17:43,730
>> I WENT FROM IN YUGOSLAVIA

625
00:17:43,730 --> 00:17:45,798
BEING, LIKE, A VERY SMART KID,

626
00:17:45,798 --> 00:17:49,269
A VERY POPULAR KID TO COMING

627
00:17:49,269 --> 00:17:51,771
TO THE STATES AND BEING SORT OF

628
00:17:51,771 --> 00:17:53,240
THE SLIGHTLY ODD KID WHO HAD,

629
00:17:53,240 --> 00:17:55,208
LIKE, LONG HAIR AND BELL-BOTTOMS

630
00:17:55,208 --> 00:17:56,843
AND DIDN'T FIT INTO

631
00:17:56,843 --> 00:17:58,478
A GROUP PARTICULARLY.

632
00:17:58,511 --> 00:17:59,446
AND THE NAME--THE NAME DIDN'T

633
00:17:59,446 --> 00:18:00,313
HELP.

634
00:18:00,313 --> 00:18:01,248
ALTHOUGH I CHANGED MY NAME.

635
00:18:01,248 --> 00:18:02,182
IT WAS THE ONLY TIME I WENT BY

636
00:18:02,182 --> 00:18:03,750
ANOTHER NAME FOR--I THINK IT

637
00:18:03,750 --> 00:18:05,685
CAME FROM WHEN WE WERE FIRST

638
00:18:05,685 --> 00:18:06,586
IN THE STATES, AND I WAS JUST,

639
00:18:06,586 --> 00:18:07,487
LIKE, THREE OR FOUR YEARS OLD.

640
00:18:07,487 --> 00:18:08,655
AND IT WAS JUST, YOU KNOW,

641
00:18:08,655 --> 00:18:09,656
I WAS TOO YOUNG TO TRY TO

642
00:18:09,656 --> 00:18:10,757
EXPLAIN MY NAME TO PEOPLE.

643
00:18:10,757 --> 00:18:11,891
I WENT BY JACOB.

644
00:18:11,924 --> 00:18:14,427
>> IN SLOVENIAN, IN SERBIAN,

645
00:18:14,427 --> 00:18:15,428
IN CROATIAN, IN ALL THOSE

646
00:18:15,428 --> 00:18:17,430
LANGUAGES, THERE'S ACTUALLY

647
00:18:17,430 --> 00:18:18,465
A LETTER, A SEPARATE LETTER,

648
00:18:18,465 --> 00:18:19,832
A "Z" WITH A LITTLE "V" ON TOP

649
00:18:19,832 --> 00:18:20,900
WHICH IS A "ZHUH."

650
00:18:20,933 --> 00:18:22,202
THERE IS A LITTLE WRITER--

651
00:18:22,202 --> 00:18:23,303
I CAN'T REMEMBER IF SOMETHING--

652
00:18:23,303 --> 00:18:24,371
IF IT ACTUALLY HAPPENED

653
00:18:24,371 --> 00:18:25,238
A COUPLE TIMES, THINGS WERE

654
00:18:25,238 --> 00:18:27,707
MISSPELLED, AND I WANTED TO TRY

655
00:18:27,707 --> 00:18:29,342
TO PREVENT THAT, SO THERE'S A

656
00:18:29,342 --> 00:18:30,577
LITTLE, VERY OFFICIOUS-SOUNDING

657
00:18:30,577 --> 00:18:32,479
PARAGRAPH ABOUT THE FACT THAT

658
00:18:32,479 --> 00:18:33,346
THEY HAVE TO SPELL MY NAME

659
00:18:33,346 --> 00:18:34,414
RIGHT, INCLUDING THE LITTLE

660
00:18:34,414 --> 00:18:35,715
"V" ACCENT OVER THE "Z."

661
00:18:35,715 --> 00:18:37,284
>> MY FATHER WAS A BUSINESSMAN.

662
00:18:37,284 --> 00:18:38,818
AND LIKE A LOT OF PEOPLE OF

663
00:18:38,818 --> 00:18:41,788
THAT GENERATION, THEY WEREN'T

664
00:18:41,788 --> 00:18:43,656
ALLOWED TO REALLY GO AFTER

665
00:18:43,656 --> 00:18:44,724
DREAMS.

666
00:18:44,724 --> 00:18:46,559
THERE WAS, YOU KNOW, THEY WERE

667
00:18:46,559 --> 00:18:47,694
CHILDREN OF THE DEPRESSION.

668
00:18:47,694 --> 00:18:50,563
IT WAS ABOUT MAKING

669
00:18:50,563 --> 00:18:51,831
A COMFORTABLE LIVING FOR YOUR

670
00:18:51,831 --> 00:18:53,200
FAMILY, WHICH HE DID.

671
00:18:53,200 --> 00:18:55,435
BUT HE--HE WAS THE BEST DANCER

672
00:18:55,435 --> 00:18:56,869
IN THE CROWD, HE HAD A WAY WITH

673
00:18:56,869 --> 00:18:58,871
EYE, WITH COLOR AND DESIGN, AND

674
00:18:58,871 --> 00:19:00,707
HE HAD ALL THESE OTHER TALENTS

675
00:19:00,707 --> 00:19:02,942
THAT MEN WERE NOT ALLOWED TO

676
00:19:02,942 --> 00:19:05,212
PURSUE IN THOSE DAYS UNLESS YOU,

677
00:19:05,212 --> 00:19:06,913
YOU KNOW, COMING FROM A BOHEMIAN

678
00:19:06,913 --> 00:19:08,681
FAMILY OR SOMETHING.

679
00:19:08,681 --> 00:19:09,716
YEAH, I THINK HE PLAYED THE

680
00:19:09,716 --> 00:19:10,583
PIANO.

681
00:19:10,583 --> 00:19:12,352
I MEAN, HE WAS INTO MUSIC.

682
00:19:12,352 --> 00:19:13,820
AND THERE WASN'T ONE BROADWAY

683
00:19:13,820 --> 00:19:15,355
SHOW THEY DIDN'T SEE, AND WE HAD

684
00:19:15,355 --> 00:19:16,689
THE ALBUMS, AND THEY WERE ALWAYS

685
00:19:16,689 --> 00:19:17,557
PLAYING IN THE HOUSE.

686
00:19:17,557 --> 00:19:18,725
AND, YOU KNOW, IN OUR HOUSE,

687
00:19:18,725 --> 00:19:20,227
GERSHWIN WAS A GOD.

688
00:19:20,227 --> 00:19:21,728
AND, YOU KNOW, THE HOUSE WAS

689
00:19:21,728 --> 00:19:24,397
FILLED WITH THOSE OUTLETS.

690
00:19:24,397 --> 00:19:26,499
AND I THINK, YEAH, I THINK UNDER

691
00:19:26,499 --> 00:19:27,834
DIFFERENT CIRCUMSTANCES

692
00:19:27,834 --> 00:19:29,469
HE WOULD HAVE DONE SOMETHING

693
00:19:29,469 --> 00:19:30,970
DIFFERENTLY, BUT THEY WEREN'T

694
00:19:30,970 --> 00:19:31,838
ALLOWED TO.

695
00:19:31,838 --> 00:19:33,706
HE INSISTED I GO TO COLLEGE.

696
00:19:33,706 --> 00:19:35,575
AND WHEN I WENT TO BOSTON

697
00:19:35,575 --> 00:19:37,977
UNIVERSITY, WHICH HE PAID FOR,

698
00:19:37,977 --> 00:19:42,915
FOR ME TO BE AN ACTING MAJOR--

699
00:19:42,915 --> 00:19:44,517
THIS IS, LIKE, NOT NORMAL

700
00:19:44,517 --> 00:19:46,353
BEHAVIOR FOR JEWISH FAMILIES.

701
00:19:46,353 --> 00:19:48,555
I THINK I KNEW WHEN I HAD HIS

702
00:19:48,555 --> 00:19:50,857
SUPPORT, HIS ENCOURAGEMENT,

703
00:19:50,857 --> 00:19:53,360
THAT SOMEBODY ELSE, WHO COULD

704
00:19:53,360 --> 00:19:56,696
BE A VERY HARSH CRITIC--

705
00:19:56,696 --> 00:19:58,798
ALL OUR FATHERS CAN DO THAT

706
00:19:58,798 --> 00:20:01,268
TO US--WAS SAYING, "I'M

707
00:20:01,268 --> 00:20:05,672
SUPPORTING YOU IN THIS."

708
00:20:05,672 --> 00:20:07,940
AND IT WAS NEVER--IT WAS, LIKE,

709
00:20:07,940 --> 00:20:08,841
YOU KNOW THE EXPRESSION, "AND

710
00:20:08,841 --> 00:20:09,809
I NEVER LOOKED BACK"?

711
00:20:09,809 --> 00:20:11,278
THAT WAS IT.

712
00:20:11,278 --> 00:20:11,944
>> MY DAD HAD BEEN A COP.

713
00:20:11,944 --> 00:20:13,246
AND EVERY DAY HE'D SAY, "SO WHY

714
00:20:13,246 --> 00:20:14,647
DON'T YOU GET A REGULAR JOB?"

715
00:20:14,681 --> 00:20:15,782
AND HE SAW ME IN THE WEST END.

716
00:20:15,782 --> 00:20:16,849
HE ACTUALLY SAW ME ON THE

717
00:20:16,849 --> 00:20:17,717
EQUIVALENT OF BROADWAY.

718
00:20:17,717 --> 00:20:18,751
AND HE'S SITTING THERE, WATCHING

719
00:20:18,751 --> 00:20:19,619
ME, ON THE EQUIVALENT OF

720
00:20:19,619 --> 00:20:20,553
BROADWAY, GOING, "WELL, WHY

721
00:20:20,553 --> 00:20:21,521
DON'T YOU GET A REGULAR JOB?"

722
00:20:21,554 --> 00:20:22,655
I WAS EARNING THREE TIMES WHAT

723
00:20:22,655 --> 00:20:24,257
HE WAS EARNING, BUT BLESS HIM,

724
00:20:24,257 --> 00:20:25,258
YOU KNOW, IT'S THAT OLD GENER--

725
00:20:25,258 --> 00:20:26,459
THAT GENERATION.

726
00:20:26,459 --> 00:20:27,460
>> MY MOM SAID, "YOU'VE GOT TO

727
00:20:27,460 --> 00:20:28,328
TAKE OTHER CLASSES.

728
00:20:28,328 --> 00:20:28,995
YOU GOT TO HAVE SOMETHING TO

729
00:20:28,995 --> 00:20:29,862
FALL BACK ON."

730
00:20:29,862 --> 00:20:30,763
I SAID, "IF I FALL BACK--IF

731
00:20:30,763 --> 00:20:31,664
I HAVE SOMETHING TO FALL BACK

732
00:20:31,664 --> 00:20:32,565
ON, I'LL FALL BACK ON IT."

733
00:20:32,565 --> 00:20:33,566
>> I DELUDED MYSELF INTO

734
00:20:33,566 --> 00:20:34,601
THINKING I COULD--I COULD DO

735
00:20:34,601 --> 00:20:35,568
SOME KIND OF DOUBLE MAJOR WITH

736
00:20:35,568 --> 00:20:37,404
SOMETHING MORE RATIONAL AND

737
00:20:37,404 --> 00:20:38,305
PRACTICAL AND SERIOUS LIKE

738
00:20:38,305 --> 00:20:39,706
GEOLOGY.

739
00:20:39,706 --> 00:20:42,709
I'M COLOR-BLIND, WHICH EXPLAINS

740
00:20:42,709 --> 00:20:45,378
MY ONLY "C" IN COLLEGE 'CAUSE

741
00:20:45,378 --> 00:20:46,679
THEY BRING YOU A TRAY OF ROCKS,

742
00:20:46,679 --> 00:20:47,647
AND YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO FIGURE

743
00:20:47,647 --> 00:20:48,681
OUT WHAT THEY ARE BECAUSE

744
00:20:48,681 --> 00:20:49,882
THEY'RE GREEN OR BROWN OR

745
00:20:49,882 --> 00:20:50,750
WHATEVER THE HELL COLOR THEY

746
00:20:50,750 --> 00:20:51,718
ARE, AND I'M LOOKING AT THEM

747
00:20:51,718 --> 00:20:53,520
LIKE, "BEATS ME."

748
00:20:53,553 --> 00:20:54,687
>> WE'RE GONNA DO SOMETHING

749
00:20:54,687 --> 00:20:55,555
DIFFERENT THIS SEMESTER.

750
00:20:55,555 --> 00:20:56,523
WE'RE GONNA DO A SHAKESPEARE

751
00:20:56,523 --> 00:20:57,390
PLAY.

752
00:20:57,390 --> 00:20:58,491
IF YOU'RE IN THE PLAY, YOU DON'T

753
00:20:58,491 --> 00:20:59,359
HAVE TO WRITE A PAPER."

754
00:20:59,392 --> 00:21:00,026
DONE.

755
00:21:00,026 --> 00:21:00,893
>> WHEN I TOLD MY DAD AND MY

756
00:21:00,893 --> 00:21:01,761
MOM THAT I WANTED TO BE AN

757
00:21:01,761 --> 00:21:02,629
ACTOR, THEY FLIPPED OUT.

758
00:21:02,629 --> 00:21:04,063
THEY JUST CO--I REMEMBER MY DAD,

759
00:21:04,063 --> 00:21:05,064
I CAN STILL HEAR HIM, YOU KNOW,

760
00:21:05,064 --> 00:21:06,566
HE'S SCREAMING AT ME, YOU KNOW.

761
00:21:06,566 --> 00:21:07,934
"WE SENT, YOU KNOW, WE SENT YOU

762
00:21:07,934 --> 00:21:09,369
THROUGH UNIVERSITY OF MICHIGAN.

763
00:21:09,369 --> 00:21:10,069
AND WE PAID THOUSANDS OF

764
00:21:10,069 --> 00:21:11,304
DOLLARS AND GOD DAMN IT,

765
00:21:11,304 --> 00:21:12,305
YOU WANT TO BE AN ACTOR?"

766
00:21:12,305 --> 00:21:12,972
[groans]

767
00:21:12,972 --> 00:21:14,006
YOU KNOW, HE JUST FLIPPED.

768
00:21:14,040 --> 00:21:15,475
>> I APPLIED FOR THE RHODES

769
00:21:15,475 --> 00:21:16,609
SCHOLARSHIP, AND I GOT IT

770
00:21:16,609 --> 00:21:19,746
AND WENT TO OXFORD IN ENGLAND.

771
00:21:19,746 --> 00:21:21,381
AND I DID TWO TERMS THERE, WHICH

772
00:21:21,381 --> 00:21:22,582
I REALLY LOVED.

773
00:21:22,582 --> 00:21:23,716
BETWEEN THE SECOND AND THIRD

774
00:21:23,716 --> 00:21:25,385
SEMESTER, I GOT INVITED BY SOME

775
00:21:25,385 --> 00:21:26,353
OF THE PEOPLE I'D DONE

776
00:21:26,353 --> 00:21:27,620
NEWFOUNDLAND TRAVELING

777
00:21:27,620 --> 00:21:30,590
THEATRE COMPANY WITH TO BE

778
00:21:30,590 --> 00:21:32,425
A PART OF THIS NEW SKETCH

779
00:21:32,425 --> 00:21:33,760
COMEDY GROUP THEY FORMED CALLED

780
00:21:33,760 --> 00:21:34,661
CODCO.

781
00:21:34,694 --> 00:21:35,528
WE MADE OUR RENT.

782
00:21:35,528 --> 00:21:36,596
WE HAD A GREAT TIME.

783
00:21:36,596 --> 00:21:37,564
WE WERE MAKING FILMS ON THE

784
00:21:37,564 --> 00:21:38,431
SIDE.

785
00:21:38,431 --> 00:21:40,867
IT WAS A VERY CREATIVE TIME.

786
00:21:40,867 --> 00:21:42,469
AND I THOUGHT, "I CAN DO THIS."

787
00:21:42,469 --> 00:21:43,870
AND SO I RESIGNED THE

788
00:21:43,870 --> 00:21:45,338
SCHOLARSHIP AND SORT OF RAN OFF

789
00:21:45,338 --> 00:21:46,573
TO JOIN THE CIRCUS.

790
00:21:46,573 --> 00:21:47,974
AND SO FROM MY PARENTS, IT WAS

791
00:21:47,974 --> 00:21:49,041
THAT KIND OF THING THAT,

792
00:21:49,041 --> 00:21:50,076
YOU KNOW, "THAT'S THE WORST

793
00:21:50,076 --> 00:21:51,644
POSSIBLE DECISION YOU COULD'VE

794
00:21:51,644 --> 00:21:52,512
MADE.

795
00:21:52,512 --> 00:21:53,513
YOU, YOU KNOW, RESIGNED THE

796
00:21:53,513 --> 00:21:55,615
RHODES SCHOLARSHIP, AND YOU ARE

797
00:21:55,615 --> 00:21:57,384
ON A TRACK TO SORT OF BECOME

798
00:21:57,384 --> 00:21:58,951
SOMETHING FABULOUS, AND NOW

799
00:21:58,951 --> 00:22:00,487
YOU'RE GOING TO BE AN ACTOR."

800
00:22:00,487 --> 00:22:01,854
>> I STARTED OFF STUDYING TO

801
00:22:01,854 --> 00:22:02,955
BE A DOCTOR.

802
00:22:02,955 --> 00:22:05,792
AND I WORKED AT A HOSPITAL FROM

803
00:22:05,792 --> 00:22:07,093
THE TIME I WAS ABOUT 18 UNTIL

804
00:22:07,093 --> 00:22:08,027
I WAS 26.

805
00:22:08,027 --> 00:22:09,762
I USED TO SING IN A CHOIR.

806
00:22:09,762 --> 00:22:10,963
SO I TOOK SOME VOICE LESSONS

807
00:22:10,963 --> 00:22:11,864
AT SCHOOL.

808
00:22:11,864 --> 00:22:13,866
THE LAST TWO YEARS OF COLLEGE,

809
00:22:13,866 --> 00:22:15,368
I TOOK ACTING CLASSES,

810
00:22:15,368 --> 00:22:16,869
AND I GOT A DEGREE IN ACTING.

811
00:22:16,869 --> 00:22:18,037
I THOUGHT, "WELL, I'LL GO TO

812
00:22:18,037 --> 00:22:18,905
GRADUATE SCHOOL."

813
00:22:18,905 --> 00:22:20,507
THAT WAY IF I CAN'T GET A JOB

814
00:22:20,507 --> 00:22:21,974
ACTING, I CAN TEACH.

815
00:22:21,974 --> 00:22:24,544
SO I WENT TO RUTGERS UNIVERSITY

816
00:22:24,544 --> 00:22:25,645
TO GRADUATE SCHOOL FOR THREE

817
00:22:25,645 --> 00:22:27,614
YEARS, AND WITHIN NINE MONTHS

818
00:22:27,614 --> 00:22:28,515
AFTER I GOT OUT OF GRADUATE

819
00:22:28,515 --> 00:22:29,916
SCHOOL, I WAS ON BROADWAY IN

820
00:22:29,916 --> 00:22:30,817
"LES MISERABLES."

821
00:22:30,817 --> 00:22:31,884
I WAS A SWING.

822
00:22:31,884 --> 00:22:33,586
AND SWINGS UNDERSTUDY, LIKE,

823
00:22:33,586 --> 00:22:34,621
14 DIFFERENT PARTS.

824
00:22:34,621 --> 00:22:35,688
EVERY TIME SOMEBODY WENT ON

825
00:22:35,688 --> 00:22:37,757
VACATION IN "LES MIS," OR THERE

826
00:22:37,757 --> 00:22:39,426
WAS, LIKE, AN EPIDEMIC OF

827
00:22:39,426 --> 00:22:41,394
THE FLU OR SOME STOMACH VIRUS

828
00:22:41,394 --> 00:22:42,995
ON THE SHOW, THEY WOULD CALL ME

829
00:22:42,995 --> 00:22:44,897
IN BECAUSE I KNEW ALL THE PARTS.

830
00:22:44,931 --> 00:22:46,699
>> WHEN I FIRST STARTED WORKING

831
00:22:46,699 --> 00:22:48,568
AND THERE WERE LOT OF EPISODIC

832
00:22:48,568 --> 00:22:51,404
TV SHOWS WHERE THEY NEEDED THE

833
00:22:51,404 --> 00:22:52,905
BAD KID, THE MIXED UP KID,

834
00:22:52,905 --> 00:22:54,574
THE JUNKIE KID, THE, YOU KNOW,

835
00:22:54,574 --> 00:22:56,876
THE, YOU KNOW, WILD-EYED KID,

836
00:22:56,876 --> 00:22:57,744
AND--AND I WORKED A LOT OF

837
00:22:57,744 --> 00:22:58,611
THOSE.

838
00:22:58,645 --> 00:23:00,980
>> I GOT MY FIRST SERIES OFFER--

839
00:23:00,980 --> 00:23:03,950
WAS--WAS TEN YEARS AFTER I LEFT

840
00:23:03,950 --> 00:23:04,817
SCHOOL.

841
00:23:04,817 --> 00:23:05,952
>> THE PHONE RINGS ONE DAY,

842
00:23:05,952 --> 00:23:07,554
AND IT'S MY UNCLE, HENRY GIBSON.

843
00:23:07,554 --> 00:23:08,421
HE HAD CALLED ROBERT ALTMAN,

844
00:23:08,421 --> 00:23:09,088
WHO WAS GOING TO BE SHOOTING

845
00:23:09,088 --> 00:23:10,490
A MOVIE IN THE SEATTLE AREA

846
00:23:10,490 --> 00:23:14,461
AND TOLD THEM THAT I, YOU KNOW,

847
00:23:14,461 --> 00:23:15,161
THAT I SHOULD CALL OVER THERE

848
00:23:15,161 --> 00:23:16,629
AND TRY TO BE A STENOGRAPHER,

849
00:23:16,629 --> 00:23:17,597
A NON-SPEAKING ROLE.

850
00:23:17,597 --> 00:23:18,665
TURNS OUT THAT THEY DO HAVE

851
00:23:18,665 --> 00:23:19,566
A SMALL THING FOR ME.

852
00:23:19,566 --> 00:23:20,767
AND I SIT THERE FOR A MONTH

853
00:23:20,767 --> 00:23:22,769
AND THE LAST COUPLE DAYS,

854
00:23:22,769 --> 00:23:23,703
THEY GIVE ME A LINE.

855
00:23:23,703 --> 00:23:24,937
AND SO I GET MY S.A.G. CARD.

856
00:23:24,937 --> 00:23:26,473
IT WAS A BIG DEAL FOR ME.

857
00:23:26,473 --> 00:23:27,440
IN COLLEGE, I DID THIS THING

858
00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:29,141
WHERE I COULD TAKE A FLY

859
00:23:29,141 --> 00:23:31,444
AND THEN CAPTURE IT.

860
00:23:31,444 --> 00:23:32,144
AND YOU THROW IT IN A ZIPLOC

861
00:23:32,144 --> 00:23:33,580
BAG AND FREEZE IT FOR 40

862
00:23:33,580 --> 00:23:34,581
SECONDS, AND WHILE IT'S STUNNED,

863
00:23:34,581 --> 00:23:36,683
YOU CAN TIE A NOTE ONTO ITS LEG.

864
00:23:36,683 --> 00:23:37,684
YOU CAN TIE A LITTLE THREAD

865
00:23:37,684 --> 00:23:38,818
ONTO ITS BACK LEG WITH A NOTE

866
00:23:38,818 --> 00:23:40,820
LIKE--NOT UNLIKE THOSE PLANES

867
00:23:40,820 --> 00:23:41,688
AT THE BEACH THAT SAY,

868
00:23:41,688 --> 00:23:42,555
YOU KNOW, "EAT AT JOE'S"

869
00:23:42,555 --> 00:23:43,222
OR WHATEVER.

870
00:23:43,222 --> 00:23:44,857
WELL, ONE OF THE GUYS, THE LAST

871
00:23:44,857 --> 00:23:45,725
DAY OF THE SHOOT SAYS,

872
00:23:45,725 --> 00:23:46,826
"THAT'S--THAT'S BULLSHIT.

873
00:23:46,826 --> 00:23:47,694
YOU CAN'T."

874
00:23:47,694 --> 00:23:49,729
AND SO WE GO DOWN TO CRAFT

875
00:23:49,729 --> 00:23:51,998
SERVICE AND POP IT IN.

876
00:23:51,998 --> 00:23:54,200
I HAVE IT, AND ROBERT ALTMAN

877
00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:56,569
WALKS IN WITH THIS CAMERA

878
00:23:56,569 --> 00:23:57,770
OPERATOR, JOHN.

879
00:23:57,770 --> 00:24:00,006
IT TAKES OFF AND FLIES UP

880
00:24:00,006 --> 00:24:01,107
AND AROUND THE GROUP OF US.

881
00:24:01,107 --> 00:24:02,108
AND EVERYONE'S LAUGHING, LIKE,

882
00:24:02,108 --> 00:24:03,009
"WHAT THE HELL IS THIS?"

883
00:24:03,009 --> 00:24:03,976
AND IT LANDS RIGHT ON THE

884
00:24:03,976 --> 00:24:06,145
FRENCH DP'S ZIPPER.

885
00:24:06,145 --> 00:24:08,681
AND THEY ALL FALL OVER LAUGHING.

886
00:24:08,681 --> 00:24:10,016
AND THE SHOW ENDS, AND I GO BACK

887
00:24:10,016 --> 00:24:10,883
TO DRIVING A CAB.

888
00:24:10,883 --> 00:24:11,951
AND I'M WONDERING WHAT'S GOING

889
00:24:11,951 --> 00:24:12,819
TO HAPPEN.

890
00:24:12,819 --> 00:24:13,686
AND A MONTH LATER, THE PHONE

891
00:24:13,686 --> 00:24:15,021
RINGS, AND IT'S ROBERT ALTMAN

892
00:24:15,021 --> 00:24:16,222
SAYING, YOU KNOW, "I'M DOING

893
00:24:16,222 --> 00:24:17,490
THIS THING, AND YOU SHOULD COME

894
00:24:17,490 --> 00:24:18,157
TO NEW YORK.

895
00:24:18,157 --> 00:24:19,526
AND--LISTEN, I DON'T KNOW IF

896
00:24:19,526 --> 00:24:20,192
YOU CAN ACT.

897
00:24:20,192 --> 00:24:21,861
BUT THAT THING YOU DID WITH THE

898
00:24:21,861 --> 00:24:22,962
FLY WAS SO FUCKING FUNNY.

899
00:24:22,962 --> 00:24:24,497
I JUST HAD TO HAVE YOU AROUND."

900
00:24:24,497 --> 00:24:25,598
>> ABOUT A YEAR AFTER MOVING TO

901
00:24:25,598 --> 00:24:26,599
CHICAGO, I BOOKED A MCDONALD'S

902
00:24:26,599 --> 00:24:27,834
COMMERCIAL.

903
00:24:27,834 --> 00:24:29,235
I'M DOWN FOR VARIETY.

904
00:24:29,235 --> 00:24:30,136
AND I DIDN'T TELL MY POP

905
00:24:30,136 --> 00:24:31,003
ABOUT IT AT ALL.

906
00:24:31,003 --> 00:24:31,971
WELL, I DIDN'T TELL ANYBODY.

907
00:24:31,971 --> 00:24:32,939
I JUST SAID, "WELL, I'LL LET

908
00:24:32,939 --> 00:24:33,940
PEOPLE CATCH IT AS THEY'RE

909
00:24:33,940 --> 00:24:34,807
WATCHING TV."

910
00:24:34,807 --> 00:24:36,008
NOW, THAT'S HAPPENING.

911
00:24:36,008 --> 00:24:37,944
MMM, MMM.

912
00:24:37,944 --> 00:24:39,245
AND MY DAD CALLS ME, LIKE,

913
00:24:39,245 --> 00:24:40,146
THAT NIGHT AND SAYS, "HEY,

914
00:24:40,146 --> 00:24:41,113
WHEN DID YOU DO A MCDONALD'S

915
00:24:41,113 --> 00:24:41,981
COMMERCIAL?

916
00:24:41,981 --> 00:24:42,849
I JUST SAW YOU."

917
00:24:42,849 --> 00:24:44,751
AND I SAID--I SAID, "WELL,

918
00:24:44,751 --> 00:24:45,818
I STARTED IT ABOUT A MONTH AGO.

919
00:24:45,818 --> 00:24:46,686
I WANTED TO SURPRISE YOU,

920
00:24:46,686 --> 00:24:47,554
YOU KNOW."

921
00:24:47,554 --> 00:24:48,287
HE SAID, "HEY, THAT'S GREAT,

922
00:24:48,287 --> 00:24:49,155
MAN.

923
00:24:49,155 --> 00:24:50,122
YOU KNOW, I'M REALLY PROUD OF

924
00:24:50,122 --> 00:24:52,224
YOU, AND, YOU KNOW,

925
00:24:52,224 --> 00:24:53,092
DID THEY PAY YOU YET?"

926
00:24:53,092 --> 00:24:53,960
AND I SAID, "YEAH, THEY PAID

927
00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:54,827
ME."

928
00:24:54,827 --> 00:24:56,128
HE SAID, "OKAY, GOOD."

929
00:24:56,128 --> 00:24:56,996
IT'S A GREAT SHOWCASE.

930
00:24:56,996 --> 00:24:58,598
I WAS THE ONLY GUY IN THE SPOT.

931
00:24:58,598 --> 00:24:59,966
IN FACT, THAT WAS MY DEMO TAPE,

932
00:24:59,966 --> 00:25:01,167
WAS MY COMMERCIAL FOR, LIKE,

933
00:25:01,167 --> 00:25:02,034
ABOUT THREE YEARS.

934
00:25:02,034 --> 00:25:02,969
NOW, THAT'S HAPPENING.

935
00:25:02,969 --> 00:25:04,136
>> I'M THE VICTIM OF MEDICAL

936
00:25:04,136 --> 00:25:06,906
MALPRACTICE AT BIRTH.

937
00:25:06,906 --> 00:25:10,142
AND THE NURSE USED TOO STRONG

938
00:25:10,142 --> 00:25:11,644
A SOLUTION OF SILVER NITRATE

939
00:25:11,644 --> 00:25:13,279
AND BLINDED ONE KID AND

940
00:25:13,279 --> 00:25:15,114
SEMI-BLINDED ME APPARENTLY.

941
00:25:15,114 --> 00:25:19,552
I HAD 11 OPERATIONS, WHICH

942
00:25:19,552 --> 00:25:21,754
DIDN'T REALLY FIX IT PROPERLY.

943
00:25:21,754 --> 00:25:22,722
AND SO I HAD WHAT WAS LEFT--

944
00:25:22,722 --> 00:25:25,124
I WAS LEFT WITH A MILKY EYE.

945
00:25:25,124 --> 00:25:28,695
SO WHEN KOREA CAME, 1950,

946
00:25:28,695 --> 00:25:30,262
I WAS--WE WERE ALL CALLED UP

947
00:25:30,262 --> 00:25:31,330
FOR THE MILITARY.

948
00:25:31,330 --> 00:25:33,232
I FAILED THE MEDICAL BECAUSE

949
00:25:33,232 --> 00:25:34,100
OF THE EYE.

950
00:25:34,100 --> 00:25:34,967
SO I WENT IN THE MILITARY

951
00:25:34,967 --> 00:25:39,271
MARINE AND CAME ASHORE AND WENT

952
00:25:39,271 --> 00:25:40,339
INTO THE HOSPITAL TO HAVE A

953
00:25:40,339 --> 00:25:41,608
CHECKUP, AND THEY SAID, "YOU

954
00:25:41,608 --> 00:25:42,575
KNOW, WE CAN DO SOMETHING WITH

955
00:25:42,575 --> 00:25:43,976
THAT EYE NOW BECAUSE WE'VE

956
00:25:43,976 --> 00:25:45,277
DISCOVERED THIS--WE GOT THIS NEW

957
00:25:45,277 --> 00:25:47,346
DRUG CALLED CORTISONE."

958
00:25:47,346 --> 00:25:48,715
SO ANYWAY, TO CUT A LONG STORY

959
00:25:48,715 --> 00:25:49,816
SHORT, THEY OPERATED.

960
00:25:49,816 --> 00:25:51,350
UM, IT WORKED.

961
00:25:51,350 --> 00:25:53,052
I SAW WITH THIS EYE FOR THE

962
00:25:53,052 --> 00:25:53,920
FIRST TIME.

963
00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:56,288
I'M SEEING WITH BOTH EYES AND

964
00:25:56,288 --> 00:25:58,725
THEN TWO WEEKS LATER, BOOM,

965
00:25:58,725 --> 00:25:59,892
BLACKOUT.

966
00:25:59,892 --> 00:26:01,360
THEY FOUGHT FOR FOUR MONTHS,

967
00:26:01,360 --> 00:26:03,295
AND IN THE END THEY SAID,

968
00:26:03,295 --> 00:26:04,230
"WE CAN'T SAVE IT.

969
00:26:04,230 --> 00:26:05,798
THE WHOLE THING'S GONE."

970
00:26:05,798 --> 00:26:07,166
AND IT'S WRECKING THIS ONE.

971
00:26:07,166 --> 00:26:08,034
SO THEY TOOK IT OUT.

972
00:26:08,067 --> 00:26:09,969
AND I GO INTO COMMUNITY THEATER.

973
00:26:09,969 --> 00:26:12,338
AND I GET BET FIVE POUNDS

974
00:26:12,338 --> 00:26:14,006
I COULD NOT GET INTO THE ROYAL

975
00:26:14,006 --> 00:26:15,141
ACADEMY OF DRAMATIC ART.

976
00:26:15,174 --> 00:26:16,042
GOT IN.

977
00:26:16,042 --> 00:26:18,210
BUT SAILED IN APPARENTLY.

978
00:26:18,210 --> 00:26:19,646
18 MONTHS IN, I WAS OFFERED

979
00:26:19,646 --> 00:26:21,013
A JOB, MY FIRST PLAY.

980
00:26:21,013 --> 00:26:24,283
>> I GOT A ROLE IN A BIG MOVIE,

981
00:26:24,283 --> 00:26:26,285
"MOMMIE DEAREST."

982
00:26:26,285 --> 00:26:27,954
I HAD AUDITIONED WITH A NERVOUS

983
00:26:27,954 --> 00:26:28,921
BREAKDOWN SCENE.

984
00:26:28,921 --> 00:26:30,623
BIG BUILDUP IN THE FUNERAL HOME

985
00:26:30,623 --> 00:26:32,058
WAITING TO GO IN TO SEE--

986
00:26:32,058 --> 00:26:34,193
I PLAYED THE SON, CHRISTOPHER,

987
00:26:34,193 --> 00:26:35,261
GOING TO SEE THE MOTHER IN HER

988
00:26:35,261 --> 00:26:36,128
COFFIN.

989
00:26:36,128 --> 00:26:37,129
AND THEY'D NEVER SAID GOOD-BYE,

990
00:26:37,129 --> 00:26:37,997
NEVER SAID I LOVE YOU,

991
00:26:37,997 --> 00:26:38,865
I HATE YOU.

992
00:26:38,865 --> 00:26:41,968
AND I SPENT FIVE MONTHS WAITING

993
00:26:41,968 --> 00:26:45,171
FOR THAT--THAT DAY OF SHOOTING

994
00:26:45,171 --> 00:26:46,105
TO COME AROUND.

995
00:26:46,105 --> 00:26:47,073
FINALLY, THEY'RE SHOOTING THE

996
00:26:47,073 --> 00:26:48,007
SCENE, THEY CALL ME IN,

997
00:26:48,007 --> 00:26:49,375
AND THE DIRECTOR SAYS, "OKAY.

998
00:26:49,375 --> 00:26:52,011
SO CHRISTINA'S GOING TO COME

999
00:26:52,011 --> 00:26:53,646
OUT FROM BEHIND THE CURTAIN,

1000
00:26:53,646 --> 00:26:54,346
AND YOU TWO ARE JUST GOING TO

1001
00:26:54,346 --> 00:26:55,214
GREET EACH OTHER.

1002
00:26:55,214 --> 00:26:56,148
YOU HAVEN'T SEEN HER SINCE--

1003
00:26:56,148 --> 00:26:57,116
BUT YOU'RE JUST GONNA GO OUT."

1004
00:26:57,116 --> 00:27:00,286
AND I SAID, "WELL, WHEN DO I GO

1005
00:27:00,286 --> 00:27:02,221
BEHIND AND--"

1006
00:27:02,221 --> 00:27:03,355
"OH, NO, THAT'S A SCRUB.

1007
00:27:03,355 --> 00:27:04,691
NO, WE CUT THAT MONTHS AGO."

1008
00:27:04,691 --> 00:27:05,925
"WHAT'S A SCRUB?"

1009
00:27:05,925 --> 00:27:06,926
OH, MY GOD.

1010
00:27:06,926 --> 00:27:09,361
AND I-I WAS SO TRAUMATIZED

1011
00:27:09,361 --> 00:27:10,362
BY THAT IN A WAY.

1012
00:27:10,362 --> 00:27:11,263
>> WELL, I ENDED UP MOVING TO

1013
00:27:11,263 --> 00:27:12,364
L.A. BY GREYHOUND BUS.

1014
00:27:12,364 --> 00:27:13,232
BUT I DID IT, MAN.

1015
00:27:13,232 --> 00:27:15,367
I-I GOT AROUND WITHOUT A CAR

1016
00:27:15,367 --> 00:27:16,268
FOR A YEAR AND A HALF.

1017
00:27:16,268 --> 00:27:17,369
YES, IT CAN BE DONE.

1018
00:27:17,369 --> 00:27:18,437
I'M STANDING OUT ON THE BUS,

1019
00:27:18,437 --> 00:27:19,839
COMING HOME FROM AN AUDITION

1020
00:27:19,839 --> 00:27:21,007
PROBABLY.

1021
00:27:21,007 --> 00:27:22,675
AND THIS YOUNG KID WALKS UP TO

1022
00:27:22,675 --> 00:27:26,345
ME, AND HE SAYS, "HEY, MAN.

1023
00:27:26,345 --> 00:27:27,446
HOW COME YOU DIDN'T BUY A CAR

1024
00:27:27,446 --> 00:27:31,217
WITH YOUR MCDONALD'S MONEY?"

1025
00:27:31,217 --> 00:27:32,719
>> THE PROBLEM ABOUT THE PAY--

1026
00:27:32,719 --> 00:27:33,753
THE PAY WORKS LIKE THIS:

1027
00:27:33,753 --> 00:27:34,787
IT DOESN'T START OFF GREAT.

1028
00:27:34,787 --> 00:27:35,922
YOU KNOW, YOU KIND OF EARN

1029
00:27:35,922 --> 00:27:36,789
YOUR WAY UP THE LADDER.

1030
00:27:36,789 --> 00:27:37,724
>> I GOT MY FIRST JOB,

1031
00:27:37,724 --> 00:27:38,691
AND I WAS LIKE, "OH, THAT'S

1032
00:27:38,691 --> 00:27:39,358
IT.

1033
00:27:39,358 --> 00:27:40,693
I CAN--I CAN WORK.

1034
00:27:40,693 --> 00:27:41,460
I'M GONNA WORK."

1035
00:27:41,460 --> 00:27:43,195
LIKE, DON'T QUIT YOUR DAY JOB

1036
00:27:43,195 --> 00:27:44,764
BECAUSE MONTHS BETWEEN.

1037
00:27:44,797 --> 00:27:47,033
>> I THINK IT'S RISKY TO BE

1038
00:27:47,033 --> 00:27:49,468
AN ACTOR BECAUSE YOUR

1039
00:27:49,468 --> 00:27:54,006
LIVELIHOOD IS SO UNPREDICTABLE.

1040
00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:55,407
>> EVERYONE DISCOURAGED ME.

1041
00:27:55,407 --> 00:27:56,442
I MEAN, EVERYONE.

1042
00:27:56,442 --> 00:27:57,777
I WOULD MEET ACTORS, AND THEY'D

1043
00:27:57,777 --> 00:27:59,211
BE LIKE, "MAN, YOU SHOULDN'T

1044
00:27:59,211 --> 00:28:00,079
DO THIS.

1045
00:28:00,079 --> 00:28:01,147
DON'T--YOU'RE NEVER GONNA MAKE

1046
00:28:01,147 --> 00:28:02,048
A LIVING.

1047
00:28:02,048 --> 00:28:03,449
I MEAN, I'M JUST BEING POLITE.

1048
00:28:03,449 --> 00:28:04,817
YOU'RE JUST--I WOULDN'T DO IT,

1049
00:28:04,817 --> 00:28:05,484
YOU KNOW."

1050
00:28:05,484 --> 00:28:06,719
>> SO I SAY TO THEM AGAIN

1051
00:28:06,719 --> 00:28:07,987
AND AGAIN, "IS THERE ANYTHING

1052
00:28:07,987 --> 00:28:08,955
YOU CAN DO THAT YOU THINK

1053
00:28:08,955 --> 00:28:09,822
WOULD--YOU WOULD FIND

1054
00:28:09,822 --> 00:28:13,125
INTERESTING AND BE SATISFYING

1055
00:28:13,125 --> 00:28:14,126
TO YOU?

1056
00:28:14,126 --> 00:28:15,227
AND IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE,

1057
00:28:15,227 --> 00:28:16,362
DO THAT."

1058
00:28:16,395 --> 00:28:18,297
>> SOME PEOPLE CAN DO IT,

1059
00:28:18,297 --> 00:28:20,132
AND SOME PEOPLE CAN'T.

1060
00:28:20,132 --> 00:28:22,134
AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN

1061
00:28:22,134 --> 00:28:23,002
TEACH IT OR NOT.

1062
00:28:23,002 --> 00:28:24,370
I DON'T THINK YOU CAN.

1063
00:28:24,403 --> 00:28:25,471
I WENT TO GRADUATE SCHOOL,

1064
00:28:25,471 --> 00:28:26,505
AND THEY COULDN'T TEACH SOME OF

1065
00:28:26,505 --> 00:28:27,473
THOSE PEOPLE HOW TO ACT.

1066
00:28:27,473 --> 00:28:28,407
>> TO THIS DAY, THERE ARE VERY

1067
00:28:28,407 --> 00:28:29,308
FEW PEOPLE THAT ARE ACTUALLY

1068
00:28:29,308 --> 00:28:31,077
POSITIVE AND ENCOURAGING.

1069
00:28:31,077 --> 00:28:31,944
WHEN I SEE A YOUNG ACTOR,

1070
00:28:31,944 --> 00:28:32,812
ALL I DO--

1071
00:28:32,812 --> 00:28:33,512
"GO FOR IT, MAN.

1072
00:28:33,512 --> 00:28:34,413
GO FOR IT, DO IT."

1073
00:28:34,413 --> 00:28:35,281
GREAT.

1074
00:28:35,281 --> 00:28:36,482
YOU MAY SUCK, BUT IT DOESN'T

1075
00:28:36,482 --> 00:28:37,349
MATTER.

1076
00:28:37,349 --> 00:28:38,217
DO IT.

1077
00:28:38,217 --> 00:28:39,151
I MEAN, YOU GOT NOTHING ELSE TO

1078
00:28:39,151 --> 00:28:40,052
LOSE, YOU KNOW, SO--

1079
00:28:40,052 --> 00:28:41,754
>> WHAT'S DIFFICULT IS, UH,

1080
00:28:41,754 --> 00:28:42,421
IS GETTING WORK.

1081
00:28:42,421 --> 00:28:45,291
>> [sighs] FUCKING HATE IT.

1082
00:28:45,291 --> 00:28:46,492
HATE IT, AUDITIONS.

1083
00:28:46,492 --> 00:28:48,094
>> SOMETIMES WHEN I GET A CALL

1084
00:28:48,094 --> 00:28:51,163
FROM MY AGENT AND THEY SAY,

1085
00:28:51,163 --> 00:28:52,131
"WE HAVE AN APPOINTMENT FOR

1086
00:28:52,131 --> 00:28:53,232
YOU," I GO, "FUCK."

1087
00:28:53,232 --> 00:28:54,333
>> LITERALLY FROM THE TIME

1088
00:28:54,333 --> 00:28:55,234
THAT PHONE RINGS, LIKE, YOU

1089
00:28:55,234 --> 00:28:56,335
HAVE AN APPOINTMENT, YOU'RE

1090
00:28:56,335 --> 00:28:59,038
LIKE, "OH, GOD."

1091
00:28:59,038 --> 00:29:00,807
UNTIL IT'S OVER, IT'S JUST

1092
00:29:00,807 --> 00:29:01,473
AGONY.

1093
00:29:01,473 --> 00:29:03,342
>> ANOTHER ADDRESS, ANOTHER

1094
00:29:03,342 --> 00:29:04,376
LOAD OF LINES, ANOTHER

1095
00:29:04,376 --> 00:29:05,878
CHARACTER, ANOTHER ROOM FULL

1096
00:29:05,878 --> 00:29:07,546
OF SWEATING ACTORS.

1097
00:29:07,546 --> 00:29:09,148
>> AUDITIONING IS RIDICULOUS.

1098
00:29:09,148 --> 00:29:10,049
IT HELPS KNOWING.

1099
00:29:10,049 --> 00:29:10,917
IF YOU WANT TO SEE WHAT AN

1100
00:29:10,917 --> 00:29:12,518
ACTOR DOES, WATCH THEIR TAPE.

1101
00:29:12,518 --> 00:29:13,986
IF THEY DON'T HAVE A TAPE,

1102
00:29:13,986 --> 00:29:16,222
MEET THEM AND TALK TO THEM

1103
00:29:16,222 --> 00:29:20,026
BECAUSE THE AUDITION PROCESS HAS

1104
00:29:20,026 --> 00:29:21,160
NOTHING TO DO--IT DOES NOT

1105
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:22,962
RESEMBLE AT ALL WHAT HAPPENS ON

1106
00:29:22,962 --> 00:29:23,830
THE DAY.

1107
00:29:23,830 --> 00:29:25,197
>> WELL, YOU KNOW WHAT I LOOK

1108
00:29:25,197 --> 00:29:26,065
LIKE MORE OR LESS.

1109
00:29:26,065 --> 00:29:27,333
AND YOU KNOW WHAT I'M CAPABLE

1110
00:29:27,333 --> 00:29:28,200
OF MORE OR LESS.

1111
00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:29,869
WHY DON'T YOU SAVE ME A LOT OF

1112
00:29:29,869 --> 00:29:32,038
TROUBLE AND JUST OFFER IT TO ME

1113
00:29:32,038 --> 00:29:32,905
OR NOT?

1114
00:29:32,905 --> 00:29:34,540
>> NO DISRESPECT TO THE CASTING

1115
00:29:34,540 --> 00:29:35,808
DIRECTOR, BUT THEY'RE NOT OFTEN

1116
00:29:35,808 --> 00:29:36,508
GOOD ACTORS.

1117
00:29:36,508 --> 00:29:37,576
SO YOU'VE GOT NOTHING YOU'RE

1118
00:29:37,576 --> 00:29:38,444
WORKING WITH.

1119
00:29:38,444 --> 00:29:39,578
SO YOU'RE WORKING IN A VACUUM.

1120
00:29:39,578 --> 00:29:42,448
>> GET ME IN A ROOM LIKE THIS

1121
00:29:42,448 --> 00:29:44,116
WITH TWO PEOPLE WHO ARE

1122
00:29:44,116 --> 00:29:47,586
EXHAUSTED AND ARE PISSED OFF

1123
00:29:47,586 --> 00:29:48,454
THEY HAVE TO READ PEOPLE

1124
00:29:48,454 --> 00:29:50,189
WHEN THEY SHOULD BE SCOUTING

1125
00:29:50,189 --> 00:29:51,390
A LOCATION.

1126
00:29:51,390 --> 00:29:52,524
>> IT'S JUST--IT'S PARTLY MY--

1127
00:29:52,524 --> 00:29:54,526
MY DIFFICULTY OF SUSPENDING

1128
00:29:54,526 --> 00:29:55,594
DISBELIEF, THAT YOU'RE GOING TO

1129
00:29:55,594 --> 00:29:58,831
WALK INTO AN OFFICE AND, SITTING

1130
00:29:58,831 --> 00:30:01,600
IN A CHAIR, PRETEND THAT YOU'RE

1131
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:04,937
IN THE '30s AT A TRAIN STATION

1132
00:30:04,937 --> 00:30:05,938
OR WHEREVER THE HELL IT IS AND

1133
00:30:05,938 --> 00:30:07,439
READING FOR A REVOLUTION.

1134
00:30:07,439 --> 00:30:08,875
AND SUDDENLY, I'M HAVING TO BE

1135
00:30:08,875 --> 00:30:10,342
REACTING TO A MASSACRE THAT HAD

1136
00:30:10,342 --> 00:30:11,844
JUST HAPPENED IN FRONT OF ME.

1137
00:30:11,844 --> 00:30:12,544
AND THE LINE WAS LIKE,

1138
00:30:12,544 --> 00:30:13,445
"OH, MY GOD."

1139
00:30:13,445 --> 00:30:14,380
THAT WAS, LIKE, THE ENTIRE LINE

1140
00:30:14,380 --> 00:30:15,247
IN THE SCENE OR SOMETHING

1141
00:30:15,247 --> 00:30:16,115
LIKE THAT.

1142
00:30:16,115 --> 00:30:17,049
LIKE, "ARE YOU BUYING THIS?"

1143
00:30:17,049 --> 00:30:17,917
'CAUSE I'M NOT.

1144
00:30:17,917 --> 00:30:18,885
>> "I GUESS THEY'RE SAYING IT

1145
00:30:18,885 --> 00:30:19,852
THIS WAY.

1146
00:30:19,852 --> 00:30:21,453
ARE THEY ANGRY AT ME?"

1147
00:30:21,453 --> 00:30:22,454
YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE ACTING IS

1148
00:30:22,454 --> 00:30:23,322
REACTING.

1149
00:30:23,322 --> 00:30:24,190
WHAT ARE THEY DOING?

1150
00:30:24,190 --> 00:30:25,291
WHAT ARE YOU REACTING TO?

1151
00:30:25,291 --> 00:30:28,294
SOME IDEA OF WHAT YOU THINK

1152
00:30:28,294 --> 00:30:30,162
THEY MAY BE DOING IN THE SCENE.

1153
00:30:30,162 --> 00:30:31,097
>> THE AUDITIONING PROCESS IS

1154
00:30:31,097 --> 00:30:34,566
REALLY DEHUMANIZING SOMETIMES.

1155
00:30:34,566 --> 00:30:36,368
>> WHEN YOU AUDITION FOR A

1156
00:30:36,368 --> 00:30:37,336
PILOT, YOU'RE PROBABLY ONE OF

1157
00:30:37,336 --> 00:30:38,537
HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE WHO

1158
00:30:38,537 --> 00:30:40,172
AUDITIONED FOR THIS PART.

1159
00:30:40,172 --> 00:30:41,640
THEN MAYBE YOU HAVE A CALLBACK,

1160
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:43,175
AND YOU'RE ONE OF MAYBE 50.

1161
00:30:43,175 --> 00:30:44,643
MAYBE YOU HAVE A SECOND CALLBACK

1162
00:30:44,643 --> 00:30:47,346
WHEN YOU'RE 1 OUT OF MAYBE 20.

1163
00:30:47,346 --> 00:30:49,248
AND THEN, MAYBE THEY DECIDE

1164
00:30:49,248 --> 00:30:50,883
TO TEST YOU, SO MAYBE YOU'RE

1165
00:30:50,883 --> 00:30:52,084
ONE OUT OF FIVE OR SIX.

1166
00:30:52,084 --> 00:30:53,585
THEY'LL CALL US, WE'LL DO

1167
00:30:53,585 --> 00:30:54,653
A DEAL FOR YOU, SO THAT THEY

1168
00:30:54,653 --> 00:30:55,654
KNOW HOW MUCH YOU'LL--YOU'LL

1169
00:30:55,654 --> 00:30:56,989
COST THEM.

1170
00:30:56,989 --> 00:30:59,025
AND THEN, YOU WILL HAVE TO

1171
00:30:59,025 --> 00:31:00,960
TEST IN FRONT OF THE STUDIO

1172
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:01,627
EXECUTIVES.

1173
00:31:01,627 --> 00:31:02,528
AND THEN, IF YOU MAKE IT PAST

1174
00:31:02,528 --> 00:31:04,063
THAT, MAYBE YOU'RE ONE OUT

1175
00:31:04,063 --> 00:31:05,164
OF THREE.

1176
00:31:05,164 --> 00:31:07,099
>> IT'S A REAL MENTAL DISCIPLINE

1177
00:31:07,099 --> 00:31:08,200
TO BE ABLE TO CONTINUE TO HAVE

1178
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:09,101
THE SAME KIND OF FUN YOU HAD

1179
00:31:09,101 --> 00:31:11,203
AT THE FIRST AUDITION WHEN YOU

1180
00:31:11,203 --> 00:31:12,604
FINALLY DO THAT THING CALLED

1181
00:31:12,604 --> 00:31:14,106
THE NETWORK TEST.

1182
00:31:14,106 --> 00:31:15,274
>> I THINK I FIRST TESTED IN

1183
00:31:15,274 --> 00:31:18,177
'87, AND I HAD A FRIEND WHO

1184
00:31:18,177 --> 00:31:19,345
TOLD ME THAT "IT'S GONNA BE

1185
00:31:19,345 --> 00:31:20,212
A HELLISH EXPERIENCE.

1186
00:31:20,212 --> 00:31:21,213
I JUST WANT TO WARN YOU WHAT'S

1187
00:31:21,213 --> 00:31:22,081
GONNA HAPPEN.

1188
00:31:22,081 --> 00:31:23,950
THERE'LL BE PEOPLE THROWING UP

1189
00:31:23,950 --> 00:31:24,917
IN THE HALLS.

1190
00:31:24,917 --> 00:31:27,219
IT'S--IT'S A HORRIBLE THING.

1191
00:31:27,219 --> 00:31:29,221
YOU SIT IN A ROOM.

1192
00:31:29,221 --> 00:31:30,089
IT'S TWO MINUTES.

1193
00:31:30,089 --> 00:31:30,957
YOU GOTTA NAIL IT.

1194
00:31:30,957 --> 00:31:32,058
YOU SIGN A CONTRACT FOR

1195
00:31:32,058 --> 00:31:33,025
THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS.

1196
00:31:33,025 --> 00:31:34,326
YOU SEE YOUR COMPETITION."

1197
00:31:34,326 --> 00:31:35,594
I WAS, LIKE, YOU KNOW, I WAS,

1198
00:31:35,594 --> 00:31:37,463
LIKE, A--I WAS, LIKE, A MESS.

1199
00:31:37,463 --> 00:31:39,231
>> YOU GO ON TO THE NETWORK

1200
00:31:39,231 --> 00:31:41,467
AND HOPEFULLY, OUT OF THE THREE

1201
00:31:41,467 --> 00:31:42,334
PEOPLE, YOU GET IT.

1202
00:31:42,334 --> 00:31:43,936
OKAY, SO YOU DO THE PILOT.

1203
00:31:43,936 --> 00:31:44,603
GREAT.

1204
00:31:44,603 --> 00:31:46,305
ALL RIGHT, SO THEN, THE NEXT

1205
00:31:46,305 --> 00:31:48,107
PERIOD COMES WHERE YOU HOPE

1206
00:31:48,107 --> 00:31:49,241
THAT THEY PICK YOU UP.

1207
00:31:49,241 --> 00:31:52,411
AND THEN, HOPEFULLY, THEY'LL

1208
00:31:52,411 --> 00:31:53,712
BECOME A SERIES BECAUSE THEY'VE

1209
00:31:53,712 --> 00:31:56,315
DONE MAYBE 25 OR 30 PILOTS, AND

1210
00:31:56,315 --> 00:31:57,416
MAYBE THEY ONLY HAVE TWO OR

1211
00:31:57,416 --> 00:31:59,118
THREE HOURS AVAILABLE TO THEM.

1212
00:31:59,118 --> 00:32:02,088
AND SO YOU'RE LUCKY.

1213
00:32:02,088 --> 00:32:03,022
OKAY, YOU HIT THE JACKPOT,

1214
00:32:03,022 --> 00:32:03,722
YOU GET ON THE AIR.

1215
00:32:03,722 --> 00:32:06,225
THEN YOU HAVE TO HOPE THAT YOUR

1216
00:32:06,225 --> 00:32:08,094
SHOW IS SUCCESSFUL, THAT PEOPLE

1217
00:32:08,094 --> 00:32:09,661
ACTUALLY WATCH YOUR SHOW BECAUSE

1218
00:32:09,661 --> 00:32:10,596
OTHER THAN THAT, THE NETWORK

1219
00:32:10,596 --> 00:32:11,530
WILL CANCEL YOU.

1220
00:32:11,530 --> 00:32:13,699
SO IT'S MANY STEPS, AND YOU HAVE

1221
00:32:13,699 --> 00:32:15,234
TO BE TALENTED AND LUCKY AT

1222
00:32:15,234 --> 00:32:16,102
THE SAME TIME.

1223
00:32:16,102 --> 00:32:17,036
>> YOU'RE GOING IN THERE TO

1224
00:32:17,036 --> 00:32:17,703
BE JUDGED.

1225
00:32:17,703 --> 00:32:19,571
YOU GET ONE SHOT AT IT.

1226
00:32:19,571 --> 00:32:23,609
I'VE ALSO FAILED MISERABLY AT--

1227
00:32:23,609 --> 00:32:25,111
AT, LIKE, NETWORK AUDITIONS,

1228
00:32:25,111 --> 00:32:26,045
ALL THAT PRESSURE.

1229
00:32:26,045 --> 00:32:27,079
>> INCREDIBLE AMOUNT OF--OF

1230
00:32:27,079 --> 00:32:30,449
REJECTION THAT YOU GO THROUGH.

1231
00:32:30,449 --> 00:32:32,284
THERE'S TEN OTHER GUYS THAT ARE

1232
00:32:32,284 --> 00:32:34,420
SITTING OUT IN THE HALLWAY,

1233
00:32:34,420 --> 00:32:35,387
TRYING TO DO SAME THING YOU'RE

1234
00:32:35,387 --> 00:32:36,255
DOING.

1235
00:32:36,255 --> 00:32:37,289
AND THEY'RE ALL JUST AS GOOD

1236
00:32:37,289 --> 00:32:38,157
AS YOU ARE.

1237
00:32:38,157 --> 00:32:39,391
>> SOME OF THE HAPPIEST MOMENTS

1238
00:32:39,391 --> 00:32:43,162
OF MY LIFE WERE WHEN I WAS

1239
00:32:43,162 --> 00:32:44,130
LEAVING AUDITIONS.

1240
00:32:44,130 --> 00:32:45,364
AND I DIDN'T EVEN CARE IF I GOT

1241
00:32:45,364 --> 00:32:46,232
IT OR NOT.

1242
00:32:46,232 --> 00:32:47,233
I MEAN, OCCASIONALLY I'D CARE.

1243
00:32:47,233 --> 00:32:49,501
I CARE.

1244
00:32:49,501 --> 00:32:50,769
>> IF YOU HAVE AN OUNCE OF--OF

1245
00:32:50,769 --> 00:32:52,571
FEELING IN YOUR BODY, YOU'RE

1246
00:32:52,571 --> 00:32:54,773
GOING FEEL LIKE, "DAMN IT.

1247
00:32:54,773 --> 00:32:58,410
I FEEL HORRIBLE, I FEEL--I--

1248
00:32:58,410 --> 00:33:00,012
WHAT DID I DO WRONG?"

1249
00:33:00,012 --> 00:33:01,147
I THINK IT'S HARD FOR ANYBODY

1250
00:33:01,147 --> 00:33:02,714
WHO WANTS TO BE AN ACTOR, BUT

1251
00:33:02,714 --> 00:33:03,715
I THINK IT WOULD BE FOOLISH TO

1252
00:33:03,715 --> 00:33:05,517
THINK THAT RACE DOESN'T MATTER.

1253
00:33:05,517 --> 00:33:06,385
MOST OF THE ROLES THAT ARE

1254
00:33:06,385 --> 00:33:08,754
WRITTEN ARE FOR WHITE ACTORS

1255
00:33:08,754 --> 00:33:09,621
AND ACTRESSES.

1256
00:33:09,621 --> 00:33:11,057
>> YOU NEVER KNOW WHY YOU GET

1257
00:33:11,057 --> 00:33:12,291
A JOB, AND YOU NEVER KNOW WHY

1258
00:33:12,291 --> 00:33:13,159
YOU DON'T.

1259
00:33:13,159 --> 00:33:15,261
IT COULD BE YOU GET HIRED

1260
00:33:15,261 --> 00:33:17,463
BECAUSE YOU REMIND THE DIRECTOR

1261
00:33:17,463 --> 00:33:20,432
OF HIS WIFE'S BROTHER.

1262
00:33:20,432 --> 00:33:23,035
IT COULD BE YOU DON'T GET HIRED

1263
00:33:23,035 --> 00:33:24,803
BECAUSE YOU REMIND THE DIRECTOR

1264
00:33:24,803 --> 00:33:26,372
OF HIS WIFE'S BROTHER.

1265
00:33:26,372 --> 00:33:27,573
>> SOMETIMES YOU CAN GO INTO

1266
00:33:27,573 --> 00:33:28,740
A ROOM, AND YOU'RE HAVING A

1267
00:33:28,740 --> 00:33:30,676
WONDERFUL TIME WITH PEOPLE.

1268
00:33:30,676 --> 00:33:32,811
AND YOU REALLY GOT A HOLD OF IT.

1269
00:33:32,811 --> 00:33:34,246
AND OTHER TIMES, SOME GUY'S

1270
00:33:34,246 --> 00:33:35,214
LOOKING DOWN HERE SAYING,

1271
00:33:35,214 --> 00:33:36,082
"WHAT TIME'S LUNCH?

1272
00:33:36,082 --> 00:33:36,748
WE GOT THIS--"

1273
00:33:36,748 --> 00:33:37,716
YOU'RE THINKING, "WE GOT THIS

1274
00:33:37,716 --> 00:33:38,584
CAST ALREADY."

1275
00:33:38,584 --> 00:33:40,052
I REMEMBER A DIRECTOR, WHO WILL

1276
00:33:40,052 --> 00:33:42,388
REMAIN NAMELESS, AND I WENT IN

1277
00:33:42,388 --> 00:33:44,590
TO AUDITION FOR THIS MOVIE.

1278
00:33:44,590 --> 00:33:47,526
AND HE TURNED TO THE--HE TURNED

1279
00:33:47,526 --> 00:33:50,229
TO THE CASTING GUY.

1280
00:33:50,229 --> 00:33:51,763
AND HE WENT--

1281
00:33:51,763 --> 00:33:55,667
[sighs]

1282
00:33:55,667 --> 00:33:57,336
SO I WAITED FOR FIVE YEARS TO

1283
00:33:57,336 --> 00:33:58,537
GET MY NEXT AUDITION WITH THIS

1284
00:33:58,537 --> 00:33:59,671
GUY BECAUSE I WAS GONNA WRAP

1285
00:33:59,671 --> 00:34:01,173
A CHAIR AROUND HIS HEAD.

1286
00:34:01,173 --> 00:34:02,374
THIS WAS GREAT.

1287
00:34:02,374 --> 00:34:04,176
I CAME IN FOR THE NEXT JOB, AND

1288
00:34:04,176 --> 00:34:06,278
IT WAS ABOUT FIVE YEARS LATER.

1289
00:34:06,278 --> 00:34:07,846
AND...

1290
00:34:07,846 --> 00:34:09,081
[laughs]

1291
00:34:09,081 --> 00:34:10,282
I CAME IN FOR THE JOB, AND

1292
00:34:10,282 --> 00:34:11,150
I JUST PULLED UP THE CHAIR,

1293
00:34:11,150 --> 00:34:12,184
AND I SAT, AND I LOOKED AT HIM,

1294
00:34:12,184 --> 00:34:13,852
LIKE, "OKAY, OPEN YOUR MOUTH.

1295
00:34:13,852 --> 00:34:15,154
OPEN YOUR MOUTH, OKAY?

1296
00:34:15,154 --> 00:34:16,488
SAY ANYTHING."

1297
00:34:16,488 --> 00:34:20,592
AND HE LOOKED AT ME, AND HE

1298
00:34:20,592 --> 00:34:22,428
SAID, "YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE THE

1299
00:34:22,428 --> 00:34:24,596
BEST FACE FOR A WESTERN I'VE

1300
00:34:24,596 --> 00:34:25,464
EVER SEEN.

1301
00:34:25,464 --> 00:34:26,365
YOU GOT THE BLUE EYES AND THAT

1302
00:34:26,365 --> 00:34:27,233
ANGER IN YOU.

1303
00:34:27,233 --> 00:34:30,436
I WANT YOU FOR THIS MOVIE."

1304
00:34:30,436 --> 00:34:32,171
I WENT, "OH, OKAY."

1305
00:34:32,171 --> 00:34:33,772
AND HE GOT IN A FISTFIGHT

1306
00:34:33,772 --> 00:34:35,241
WITH THE STAR THE NEXT DAY AND

1307
00:34:35,241 --> 00:34:36,508
WAS FIRED OFF THE MOVIE.

1308
00:34:36,508 --> 00:34:38,644
I DON'T THINK HE'S WORKED SINCE.

1309
00:34:38,644 --> 00:34:41,780
AND THEN A GREAT DIRECTOR THAT

1310
00:34:41,780 --> 00:34:43,215
I HAD WORKED WITH BEFORE CAME

1311
00:34:43,215 --> 00:34:44,616
IN AND SAID, "NO, KID--YOU'RE--

1312
00:34:44,616 --> 00:34:45,584
YOU'RE--I'M SORRY.

1313
00:34:45,584 --> 00:34:46,452
YOU'RE A GOOD ACTOR.

1314
00:34:46,452 --> 00:34:48,354
YOU'RE WRONG FOR THE PART."

1315
00:34:48,354 --> 00:34:49,288
I NEVER GOT THE JOB.

1316
00:34:49,288 --> 00:34:50,556
BUT IT'S FUNNY, SO YOU NEVER

1317
00:34:50,556 --> 00:34:51,790
KNOW HOW AN AUDITION IS GOING

1318
00:34:51,790 --> 00:34:52,791
TO TURN OUT.

1319
00:34:52,791 --> 00:34:53,659
>> TO LEARN THE CRAFT OF

1320
00:34:53,659 --> 00:34:54,593
AUDITION, FIRST OF ALL, YOU HAVE

1321
00:34:54,593 --> 00:34:55,527
TO BE A READER IN AN AUDITION,

1322
00:34:55,527 --> 00:34:57,396
YOU HAVE TO WATCH 50 GUYS WALK

1323
00:34:57,396 --> 00:35:00,232
IN AND WATCH HOW 42 OF 'EM WERE

1324
00:35:00,232 --> 00:35:01,467
DEAD BEFORE THEY HIT THE CHAIR.

1325
00:35:01,467 --> 00:35:03,169
THEY, YOU KNOW, THEY'VE LOST THE

1326
00:35:03,169 --> 00:35:03,902
JOB BEFORE THEY OPENED

1327
00:35:03,902 --> 00:35:04,770
THEIR MOUTH.

1328
00:35:04,770 --> 00:35:05,737
>> IN THIS BUSINESS, YOU JUST

1329
00:35:05,737 --> 00:35:06,638
KEEP GOING FORWARD.

1330
00:35:06,638 --> 00:35:08,174
IF YOU--IF YOU START TO WORRY

1331
00:35:08,174 --> 00:35:09,308
ABOUT IT TOO MUCH, YOU LOSE

1332
00:35:09,308 --> 00:35:10,176
YOUR NUT.

1333
00:35:10,176 --> 00:35:12,311
YOU LOSE YOUR--YOU LOSE YOUR

1334
00:35:12,311 --> 00:35:13,345
PRESENCE WHEN YOU WALK INTO

1335
00:35:13,345 --> 00:35:14,213
A ROOM.

1336
00:35:14,213 --> 00:35:15,347
IF YOU'RE THERE JONESING FOR

1337
00:35:15,347 --> 00:35:16,648
A JOB, AND YOU NEED THIS JOB

1338
00:35:16,648 --> 00:35:18,617
BAD, NO WAY YOU'LL GET HIRED.

1339
00:35:18,617 --> 00:35:19,618
>> THERE'S A POINT TO WHICH THE

1340
00:35:19,618 --> 00:35:20,886
BUTTERFLIES CAN REALLY TRIP YOU

1341
00:35:20,886 --> 00:35:21,753
UP.

1342
00:35:21,753 --> 00:35:22,654
I MEAN, THEY CAN REALLY CHEW--

1343
00:35:22,654 --> 00:35:24,156
CHEW YOU UP TOO MUCH.

1344
00:35:24,156 --> 00:35:25,591
IF THE AUDITION--HERE'S HOW--

1345
00:35:25,591 --> 00:35:26,558
IS WHEN IT REALLY HURTS YOU.

1346
00:35:26,558 --> 00:35:29,261
THE AUDITION IS REALLY

1347
00:35:29,261 --> 00:35:30,896
IMPORTANT, AND IT'S THE ONLY

1348
00:35:30,896 --> 00:35:32,531
AUDITION YOU'VE HAD IN SIX

1349
00:35:32,531 --> 00:35:33,432
MONTHS, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN?

1350
00:35:33,432 --> 00:35:34,300
YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN?

1351
00:35:34,300 --> 00:35:36,168
>> WHEN YOU GO INTO AN AUDITION,

1352
00:35:36,168 --> 00:35:38,537
AND YOU MUST BOOK THE JOB TO

1353
00:35:38,537 --> 00:35:40,839
SAVE YOUR S.A.G. INSURANCE OR

1354
00:35:40,839 --> 00:35:42,174
TO--TO PAY YOUR RENT,

1355
00:35:42,174 --> 00:35:43,809
UNFORTUNATELY, THAT TENDS TO

1356
00:35:43,809 --> 00:35:45,211
WORK AGAINST YOU WHEN IT COMES

1357
00:35:45,211 --> 00:35:46,345
TO ACTUALLY BOOKING THE PART

1358
00:35:46,345 --> 00:35:47,946
BECAUSE PEOPLE FEEL THAT YOU'RE

1359
00:35:47,946 --> 00:35:51,350
DESPERATE FOR A JOB, AND--AND

1360
00:35:51,350 --> 00:35:52,218
THAT CAN BE OFF-PUTTING.

1361
00:35:52,218 --> 00:35:53,585
>> THE TIMES THAT IT WORKS BEST

1362
00:35:53,585 --> 00:35:54,786
FOR ME IS WHEN I DON'T CARE,

1363
00:35:54,786 --> 00:35:56,355
WHEN I REALLY DON'T CARE.

1364
00:35:56,355 --> 00:35:58,190
I MEAN, THE LAST PILOT I GOT

1365
00:35:58,190 --> 00:36:00,392
A FEW YEARS BACK, I HAD A 103

1366
00:36:00,392 --> 00:36:01,727
FEVER, AND I DIDN'T WANT TO BE

1367
00:36:01,727 --> 00:36:02,861
THERE, AND I DIDN'T WANT TO GO.

1368
00:36:02,861 --> 00:36:04,230
AND SOMEBODY WAS CALLING ME,

1369
00:36:04,230 --> 00:36:05,197
"JUST GET OUT OF BED

1370
00:36:05,197 --> 00:36:05,964
AND GO THERE."

1371
00:36:05,964 --> 00:36:07,899
"OKAY, I'M GOING, I'M GOING."

1372
00:36:07,899 --> 00:36:08,867
"WELL, YOU GOTTA GO BACK TO

1373
00:36:08,867 --> 00:36:09,801
THE NETWORK."

1374
00:36:09,801 --> 00:36:10,836
"NO, I'M NOT."

1375
00:36:10,836 --> 00:36:11,803
[laughs]

1376
00:36:11,803 --> 00:36:12,771
AND THEY'D--OKAY.

1377
00:36:12,771 --> 00:36:13,639
THEY HIRED YOU.

1378
00:36:13,639 --> 00:36:14,540
>> A PART OF ME STILL LOVES TO

1379
00:36:14,540 --> 00:36:16,842
AUDITION BECAUSE IT'S--IT'S

1380
00:36:16,842 --> 00:36:18,610
GETTING TO DO A PERFORMANCE

1381
00:36:18,610 --> 00:36:21,880
ONE TIME, IN A--IN A ROOM.

1382
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:23,982
>> SOMETIMES THAT'S THE ONLY

1383
00:36:23,982 --> 00:36:25,784
CHANCE YOU'RE GONNA GET TO ACT.

1384
00:36:25,784 --> 00:36:27,819
THIS DAY, THIS WEEK, THIS MONTH,

1385
00:36:27,819 --> 00:36:29,655
THAT AUDITION.

1386
00:36:29,655 --> 00:36:32,324
>> USUALLY, I DON'T BRING

1387
00:36:32,324 --> 00:36:33,959
GLASSES TO AN AUDITION BECAUSE

1388
00:36:33,959 --> 00:36:34,860
THEY GET IN THE WAY.

1389
00:36:34,860 --> 00:36:36,695
BUT FOR THE PART OF SID,

1390
00:36:36,695 --> 00:36:39,431
THE SCENE WAS HIM EXAMINING

1391
00:36:39,431 --> 00:36:40,332
A CADAVER.

1392
00:36:40,332 --> 00:36:42,000
SO I BROUGHT MY GLASSES, AND AT

1393
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:43,269
A CERTAIN POINT, I PUT THEM UP

1394
00:36:43,269 --> 00:36:45,904
AND THEN, IT JUST--AND IT HELPED

1395
00:36:45,904 --> 00:36:47,273
ME GET THE PART.

1396
00:36:47,273 --> 00:36:48,707
FAR MORE OFTEN THAN ANY

1397
00:36:48,707 --> 00:36:50,442
COMPLIMENT ABOUT MY ACTING

1398
00:36:50,442 --> 00:36:52,344
IN THAT ROLE IS COMPLIMENTS

1399
00:36:52,344 --> 00:36:53,011
ABOUT MY GLASSES.

1400
00:36:53,011 --> 00:36:53,879
[laughter]

1401
00:36:53,879 --> 00:36:55,547
I THINK PEOPLE LIKE MY GLASSES

1402
00:36:55,547 --> 00:36:56,648
MORE THAN MY CHARACTER.

1403
00:36:56,648 --> 00:36:58,584
I'M JEALOUS OF MY GLASSES,

1404
00:36:58,584 --> 00:36:59,751
THAT'S HOW PETTY I CAN BE.

1405
00:36:59,785 --> 00:37:01,253
>> DONNA CALLS AND SAYS,

1406
00:37:01,253 --> 00:37:02,321
"HEY, HOW TALL ARE YOU?"

1407
00:37:02,321 --> 00:37:03,589
I SAID, "I'M ABOUT--I DON'T

1408
00:37:03,589 --> 00:37:05,524
KNOW, 6'2", YOU KNOW.

1409
00:37:05,524 --> 00:37:06,858
MAYBE 210 POUNDS."

1410
00:37:06,892 --> 00:37:08,894
SHE SAYS, "NO, YOU'RE 6'4."

1411
00:37:08,894 --> 00:37:10,696
[laughs]

1412
00:37:10,696 --> 00:37:11,597
AND I SAID, "WHY?"

1413
00:37:11,597 --> 00:37:13,799
SHE SAYS, "BECAUSE STEVEN

1414
00:37:13,799 --> 00:37:15,301
BOCHCO'S--YOU KNOW THIS SHOW

1415
00:37:15,301 --> 00:37:16,001
CALLED 'MURDER ONE'?"

1416
00:37:16,001 --> 00:37:17,035
I SAID, "YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.

1417
00:37:17,035 --> 00:37:18,670
I LOVE 'MURDER ONE.'

1418
00:37:18,670 --> 00:37:19,905
YOU KNOW, IT'S A GREAT SHOW."

1419
00:37:19,905 --> 00:37:22,040
SHE SAYS, "YEAH, THEY'RE DOING

1420
00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:23,442
YEAR TWO, AND THEY WANT--THEY'RE

1421
00:37:23,442 --> 00:37:25,644
LOOKING FOR AN ACTOR WHO IS

1422
00:37:25,644 --> 00:37:28,380
ABOUT 6'4", 6'3", 6'4"

1423
00:37:28,380 --> 00:37:30,916
AND CAN CONVINCINGLY LOOK LIKE

1424
00:37:30,916 --> 00:37:32,284
HE PLAYS PRO BASKETBALL."

1425
00:37:32,284 --> 00:37:33,352
AND I SAID, "WELL, I DON'T--

1426
00:37:33,352 --> 00:37:34,019
I DON'T PLAY A LICK OF

1427
00:37:34,019 --> 00:37:35,787
BASKETBALL, BUT I CAN--I CAN

1428
00:37:35,787 --> 00:37:37,289
LIE MY ASS OFF AND SAY THAT

1429
00:37:37,289 --> 00:37:38,457
I CAN."

1430
00:37:38,457 --> 00:37:39,658
I WORE SOME SKECHER BOOTS THAT

1431
00:37:39,658 --> 00:37:40,526
GAVE ME ABOUT AN INCH AND

1432
00:37:40,526 --> 00:37:42,328
A HALF HEIGHT.

1433
00:37:42,328 --> 00:37:44,062
AND I KIND OF DRESSED UP

1434
00:37:44,062 --> 00:37:45,497
A LITTLE FLASHY, YOU KNOW, FOR

1435
00:37:45,497 --> 00:37:46,432
THE CHARACTER BECAUSE HE'S,

1436
00:37:46,432 --> 00:37:48,934
YOU KNOW, $50 MILLION NBA STAR.

1437
00:37:48,934 --> 00:37:49,901
I'M COMING HOME ON THE BUS ON

1438
00:37:49,901 --> 00:37:51,036
MELROSE AVENUE.

1439
00:37:51,036 --> 00:37:52,070
I DIDN'T HAVE A CELL PHONE

1440
00:37:52,070 --> 00:37:52,938
AT THE TIME.

1441
00:37:52,938 --> 00:37:53,805
I HAD A BEEPER.

1442
00:37:53,805 --> 00:37:55,441
DONNA CALLS, AND I WAS LIKE,

1443
00:37:55,441 --> 00:37:56,675
"OH, MY GOD.

1444
00:37:56,675 --> 00:37:57,543
THIS COULD BE IT."

1445
00:37:57,543 --> 00:37:59,811
I PULL THE BELL ON THE BUS AND

1446
00:37:59,811 --> 00:38:01,413
GET OFF AT THE NEXT STOP AND

1447
00:38:01,413 --> 00:38:02,714
RUN TO THE NEAREST PAY PHONE TO

1448
00:38:02,714 --> 00:38:03,582
CALL DONNA.

1449
00:38:03,582 --> 00:38:04,950
SHE SAYS, "ARE YOU--ARE YOU

1450
00:38:04,950 --> 00:38:06,084
ANYWHERE SITTING DOWN RIGHT

1451
00:38:06,084 --> 00:38:07,753
NOW?"

1452
00:38:07,753 --> 00:38:08,954
AND THAT'S ALL SHE HAD TO SAY.

1453
00:38:08,954 --> 00:38:09,988
DUDE, I'M GOING TO START CRYING

1454
00:38:09,988 --> 00:38:11,089
RIGHT NOW.

1455
00:38:11,089 --> 00:38:13,058
AND SHE SAID--SHE SAID,

1456
00:38:13,058 --> 00:38:14,393
"YOU GOT THE JOB."

1457
00:38:14,393 --> 00:38:15,694
SHE SAID, "THEY LOVED YOU, AND

1458
00:38:15,694 --> 00:38:16,962
YOU'RE GOING TO BE WORKING

1459
00:38:16,962 --> 00:38:17,829
FOR A WHILE."

1460
00:38:17,829 --> 00:38:18,964
>> THEY GUARANTEED HIM,

1461
00:38:18,964 --> 00:38:20,699
I BELIEVE, NINE EPISODES, AND

1462
00:38:20,699 --> 00:38:22,868
WITH THAT MONEY, HE GOT HIMSELF

1463
00:38:22,868 --> 00:38:25,437
A REAL JUNK OF A CAR, BUT AT

1464
00:38:25,437 --> 00:38:26,905
LEAST IT COULD GET HIM AROUND.

1465
00:38:26,905 --> 00:38:28,474
>> IT GOT ME OFF THE BUS.

1466
00:38:28,474 --> 00:38:29,441
TO THIS DAY, OUT OF ALL THE

1467
00:38:29,441 --> 00:38:30,376
THINGS THAT I'VE DONE IN THE

1468
00:38:30,376 --> 00:38:32,010
LAST 12 YEARS, "MURDER ONE"

1469
00:38:32,010 --> 00:38:33,479
HAS TO BE THE TOP, LIKE,

1470
00:38:33,479 --> 00:38:34,546
PROBABLY THE TOP TWO JOBS

1471
00:38:34,546 --> 00:38:35,414
I'VE EVER HAD.

1472
00:38:35,414 --> 00:38:36,515
WHEN IT WAS OVER, I WAS JUST

1473
00:38:36,515 --> 00:38:37,683
LIKE, "WOW, MAN.

1474
00:38:37,683 --> 00:38:39,117
I WOULD LOVE TO STAY ON THIS

1475
00:38:39,117 --> 00:38:40,051
LEVEL," YOU KNOW.

1476
00:38:40,051 --> 00:38:41,487
BUT, YOU KNOW, BEING AN ACTOR

1477
00:38:41,487 --> 00:38:42,421
MEANS YOUR CAREER IS GOING

1478
00:38:42,421 --> 00:38:43,989
TO GO LIKE THIS.

1479
00:38:43,989 --> 00:38:45,524
>> I AUDITIONED FOR ABOUT A

1480
00:38:45,524 --> 00:38:47,493
YEAR TO--I UNLEARNED EVERYTHING

1481
00:38:47,493 --> 00:38:48,527
I LEARNED IN THEATER SCHOOL

1482
00:38:48,527 --> 00:38:49,795
TO GET A JOB ON TV.

1483
00:38:49,795 --> 00:38:53,699
AND I-I GOT A JOB.

1484
00:38:53,699 --> 00:38:56,067
>> I WOULD SAY THAT GETTING

1485
00:38:56,067 --> 00:38:58,804
A JOB IS A 50/50 DEAL.

1486
00:38:58,804 --> 00:38:59,938
IT'S LUCK AND SKILL.

1487
00:38:59,938 --> 00:39:01,407
>> CERTAINLY, IF I HADN'T HAD

1488
00:39:01,407 --> 00:39:03,842
LUCK IN CERTAIN OPPORTUNITIES,

1489
00:39:03,842 --> 00:39:06,945
I MIGHT NOT HAVE SURVIVED THIS

1490
00:39:06,945 --> 00:39:07,813
BUSINESS.

1491
00:39:07,813 --> 00:39:08,680
>> I WOULD SAY THE FIR--

1492
00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:09,781
THE FIRST JOB'S LUCK,

1493
00:39:09,781 --> 00:39:12,050
THE SECOND JOB...

1494
00:39:12,050 --> 00:39:13,885
IS LUCK.

1495
00:39:13,885 --> 00:39:16,154
THIRD JOB, YOU GOTTA KNOW WHAT

1496
00:39:16,154 --> 00:39:17,122
YOU'RE DOING BECAUSE IF YOU

1497
00:39:17,122 --> 00:39:17,989
SUCK, YOU SUCK.

1498
00:39:17,989 --> 00:39:18,890
AND BY THE THIRD JOB,

1499
00:39:18,890 --> 00:39:19,758
THEY FIGURE THAT OUT.

1500
00:39:19,758 --> 00:39:22,794
[upbeat music]

1501
00:39:26,732 --> 00:39:29,067
>> WE ARE WORKING ACTORS BECAUSE

1502
00:39:29,067 --> 00:39:30,001
WE WORK.

1503
00:39:30,001 --> 00:39:31,637
THE JOB COMES, AND WE PRETTY

1504
00:39:31,637 --> 00:39:32,504
MUCH TAKE IT.

1505
00:39:32,504 --> 00:39:33,972
>> OKAY, SO A PROJECT WILL COME

1506
00:39:33,972 --> 00:39:37,042
UP, LIKE "THE HILLS HAVE EYES."

1507
00:39:37,075 --> 00:39:41,647
AND I READ THIS SCRIPT,

1508
00:39:41,647 --> 00:39:43,148
AND I THOUGHT, "NO."

1509
00:39:43,181 --> 00:39:44,750
SO YOU SAY, "I'M NOT GONNA DO IT

1510
00:39:44,750 --> 00:39:47,586
UNLESS WHAT I GET OUT OF IT

1511
00:39:47,586 --> 00:39:48,954
MAKES A BIG DIFFERENCE, MAYBE

1512
00:39:48,954 --> 00:39:50,422
TO MY PRIVATE LIFE."

1513
00:39:50,422 --> 00:39:52,758
SO IT'LL BE TUITION FOR

1514
00:39:52,758 --> 00:39:54,993
MY DAUGHTER TO GO TO NYU.

1515
00:39:54,993 --> 00:39:56,895
IT WILL, YOU KNOW, PAY BILLS.

1516
00:39:56,895 --> 00:39:57,996
I MEAN, LET'S BE PRACTICAL.

1517
00:39:58,029 --> 00:40:00,031
ONE OF THE BIG SEQUENCES IS

1518
00:40:00,031 --> 00:40:02,534
THIS CLAN MEMBER WHOSE NAME

1519
00:40:02,534 --> 00:40:04,169
IS RUBY, THE SAME NAME AS

1520
00:40:04,169 --> 00:40:05,737
MY DAUGHTER, IS TRYING TO SAVE

1521
00:40:05,737 --> 00:40:06,838
THIS BABY'S LIFE.

1522
00:40:06,872 --> 00:40:07,873
AND I'M SAYING I'M TRYING TO

1523
00:40:07,873 --> 00:40:09,007
KILL THE BABY TO SERVE IT UP FOR

1524
00:40:09,007 --> 00:40:09,875
DINNER.

1525
00:40:09,875 --> 00:40:10,809
JUST REMINDED ME OF

1526
00:40:10,809 --> 00:40:13,579
ACTUALLY CHASING MY LITTLE GIRL

1527
00:40:13,579 --> 00:40:14,446
WHEN SHE WAS A LITTLE GIRL

1528
00:40:14,446 --> 00:40:15,213
AROUND THE DINING ROOM TABLE

1529
00:40:15,213 --> 00:40:16,214
SAYING, "I'M GONNA GET YOU."

1530
00:40:16,247 --> 00:40:17,115
MY DAUGHTER RUBY HAS NOT SEEN

1531
00:40:17,115 --> 00:40:18,650
THAT MOVIE.

1532
00:40:18,650 --> 00:40:20,586
I HOPE SHE NEVER SEES THE MOVIE.

1533
00:40:20,586 --> 00:40:21,553
>> I'VE HAD PEOPLE SAYING,

1534
00:40:21,553 --> 00:40:23,088
"YOU GOT TO BE CAREFUL,

1535
00:40:23,088 --> 00:40:24,456
AND YOU CAN'T JUST DO CRAP."

1536
00:40:24,456 --> 00:40:25,190
THEN THERE ARE OTHER PEOPLE LIKE

1537
00:40:25,190 --> 00:40:26,458
ANTHONY QUINN THAT SAYS,

1538
00:40:26,458 --> 00:40:27,459
"SON, DO EVERYTHING.

1539
00:40:27,459 --> 00:40:28,527
DO EVERYTHING THAT'S THROWN

1540
00:40:28,527 --> 00:40:29,495
AT YOU BECAUSE YOU NEVER KNOW

1541
00:40:29,495 --> 00:40:30,796
WHAT'S GONNA BE SUCCESSFUL

1542
00:40:30,796 --> 00:40:31,897
A YEAR FROM NOW.

1543
00:40:31,897 --> 00:40:33,499
YOU'LL NEVER KNOW WHAT WON'T."

1544
00:40:33,499 --> 00:40:34,800
>> I'M A HACK, I'M A PROSTITUTE.

1545
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:36,101
I CAN'T CHOOSE WHAT MY

1546
00:40:36,101 --> 00:40:38,203
CUSTOMERS ARE.

1547
00:40:38,203 --> 00:40:39,471
>> THERE'S SOME CHEESY STUFF

1548
00:40:39,471 --> 00:40:40,806
THAT I WOULD DIE IF IT WAS STILL

1549
00:40:40,806 --> 00:40:41,673
PLAYING.

1550
00:40:41,673 --> 00:40:42,808
>> THERE ARE A COUPLE OF MOVIES

1551
00:40:42,808 --> 00:40:44,242
I'VE DONE THAT REALLY ARE KIND

1552
00:40:44,242 --> 00:40:45,911
OF DUMB, AND I-I DIDN'T MEAN TO

1553
00:40:45,911 --> 00:40:46,978
KIND OF SEND PEOPLE DOWN THE

1554
00:40:47,012 --> 00:40:47,846
WRONG AVENUE.

1555
00:40:47,879 --> 00:40:49,047
>> I TURNED DOWN A TINTO BRASS

1556
00:40:49,047 --> 00:40:52,017
MOVIE BECAUSE IT OPENS WITH

1557
00:40:52,017 --> 00:40:53,184
THE--MY--ONE OF THE GREAT

1558
00:40:53,184 --> 00:40:55,487
QUOTES, WHICH IS, "THE OLD MAN

1559
00:40:55,487 --> 00:40:58,256
STOOD THERE BEHIND THE MAID,

1560
00:40:58,256 --> 00:41:00,025
SHOWING US HIS GNARLED AND

1561
00:41:00,025 --> 00:41:01,593
WRINKLED GENITALIA."

1562
00:41:01,627 --> 00:41:03,795
AND I THOUGHT, "I DON'T THINK

1563
00:41:03,795 --> 00:41:04,830
I'M GOING TO BE DOING THIS ONE."

1564
00:41:04,830 --> 00:41:06,197
>> YEAH, THERE'S LOTS ABOUT

1565
00:41:06,197 --> 00:41:07,265
ACTING I DON'T LIKE.

1566
00:41:07,265 --> 00:41:08,634
WHEN IT'S NOT GOING WELL, WHEN

1567
00:41:08,634 --> 00:41:09,601
YOU'RE WORKING WITH UNCREATIVE

1568
00:41:09,601 --> 00:41:10,268
PEOPLE.

1569
00:41:10,268 --> 00:41:11,503
>> THERE'S A COUPLE OF TV JOBS

1570
00:41:11,503 --> 00:41:12,538
THAT I DIDN'T LIKE THE

1571
00:41:12,538 --> 00:41:14,606
EXPERIENCE OF OR LOOKED AT AND

1572
00:41:14,606 --> 00:41:15,841
SAID, "WHAT AM I DOING HERE?

1573
00:41:15,841 --> 00:41:17,142
OH, DO I REALLY WANT TO DO THIS

1574
00:41:17,142 --> 00:41:18,009
FOR A LIVING?"

1575
00:41:18,009 --> 00:41:19,611
>> I GUESS I HAVE A MOTTO, WHICH

1576
00:41:19,611 --> 00:41:21,179
IS, "I'LL STICK AROUND TO BE

1577
00:41:21,179 --> 00:41:22,614
INSULTED ONE MORE TIME."

1578
00:41:22,614 --> 00:41:23,749
>> VERY FEW PEOPLE ACHIEVE THE

1579
00:41:23,749 --> 00:41:25,116
SUCCESS THAT I THINK EVERYBODY

1580
00:41:25,116 --> 00:41:26,251
DREAMS OF.

1581
00:41:26,251 --> 00:41:29,855
AND SO IN HOLLYWOOD, THERE'S

1582
00:41:29,855 --> 00:41:31,857
A LOT OF ANGRY PEOPLE WHO FEEL

1583
00:41:31,857 --> 00:41:32,891
LIKE THEY'D BEEN DEALT--

1584
00:41:32,891 --> 00:41:34,025
IF ONLY THEY COULD HAVE--IF

1585
00:41:34,025 --> 00:41:34,993
THEY'D HAVE BEEN, BLAH, BLAH,

1586
00:41:34,993 --> 00:41:35,861
BLAH.

1587
00:41:35,861 --> 00:41:37,295
>> I WORKED WITH AN IDIOT ON

1588
00:41:37,295 --> 00:41:39,631
A FILM THREE YEARS AGO.

1589
00:41:39,631 --> 00:41:41,933
AND SHE IS THE BIGGEST--THE

1590
00:41:41,933 --> 00:41:43,802
BIGGEST DIVA I'VE EVER WORKED

1591
00:41:43,802 --> 00:41:45,571
WITH, LIKE A COMPLETELY PAMPERED

1592
00:41:45,571 --> 00:41:47,038
FORMER TELEVISION STAR WHO'S

1593
00:41:47,038 --> 00:41:50,942
DOING FILM, WHO I-I JUST--

1594
00:41:50,942 --> 00:41:52,944
THANK GOD A MORE SENIOR ACTOR

1595
00:41:52,944 --> 00:41:56,281
ON SET TOOK HER ASIDE AND SAID,

1596
00:41:56,281 --> 00:41:57,983
"WHO THE FUCK DO YOU THINK

1597
00:41:57,983 --> 00:41:58,917
YOU ARE, TALKING TO PEOPLE

1598
00:41:58,917 --> 00:41:59,818
LIKE THIS?"

1599
00:41:59,818 --> 00:42:01,086
BECAUSE SHE WAS IMPOSSIBLE.

1600
00:42:01,086 --> 00:42:02,153
>> NOW, I'M OLDER AND IF IT'S--

1601
00:42:02,153 --> 00:42:03,789
SOMEBODY STARTS MESSING WITH ME,

1602
00:42:03,789 --> 00:42:04,723
I JUST TELL THEM RIGHT OFF THE

1603
00:42:04,723 --> 00:42:06,191
BAT, "STOP FUCKING WITH ME."

1604
00:42:06,191 --> 00:42:07,926
>> I'M LUCKY I'M AT MY AGE, AND

1605
00:42:07,926 --> 00:42:10,295
I GET--I TEND TO GET RESPECT,

1606
00:42:10,295 --> 00:42:11,196
WHICH IS OKAY.

1607
00:42:11,196 --> 00:42:12,230
AND IF I DON'T, I'LL GET IT.

1608
00:42:12,230 --> 00:42:13,599
YOU KNOW, I'LL PUNCH YOUR HEAD

1609
00:42:13,599 --> 00:42:14,299
IN.

1610
00:42:14,299 --> 00:42:15,567
>> I WAS VERY RELUCTANT TO TURN

1611
00:42:15,567 --> 00:42:16,635
A JOB DOWN, AND I REMEMBER

1612
00:42:16,635 --> 00:42:18,737
I HAD THIS GREAT AGENT, AND SHE

1613
00:42:18,737 --> 00:42:20,706
WAS LIKE, "BOY, YOU GOT TO GROW

1614
00:42:20,706 --> 00:42:21,573
SOME BALLS.

1615
00:42:21,573 --> 00:42:22,240
YOU KNOW WHAT?

1616
00:42:22,240 --> 00:42:24,676
YOU GOT TO LEARN HOW TO SAY NO.

1617
00:42:24,676 --> 00:42:26,812
'NO' IS THE PASSWORD TO THE NEXT

1618
00:42:26,812 --> 00:42:27,713
LEVEL."

1619
00:42:27,713 --> 00:42:29,114
>> TRUE OR FALSE:

1620
00:42:29,114 --> 00:42:30,348
ALL ACTORS ARE CRAZY.

1621
00:42:30,348 --> 00:42:33,752
TRUE.

1622
00:42:33,752 --> 00:42:35,120
>> PRIOR TO--JUST PRIOR TO

1623
00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:36,655
GETTING INTO THE DRAMA

1624
00:42:36,655 --> 00:42:38,156
DEPARTMENT, I THOUGHT EVERYONE

1625
00:42:38,156 --> 00:42:41,793
WAS GAY OR OUT OF THEIR MINDS.

1626
00:42:41,793 --> 00:42:42,694
AND THEY ARE.

1627
00:42:42,694 --> 00:42:44,596
I'M IN THE LATTER CATEGORY,

1628
00:42:44,596 --> 00:42:45,864
OUT OF MY MIND.

1629
00:42:45,864 --> 00:42:46,765
I'M WITH YOUR MOMMY,

1630
00:42:46,765 --> 00:42:47,699
YOU KNOW THAT, RIGHT?

1631
00:42:47,699 --> 00:42:49,367
>> I DON'T THINK I AM.

1632
00:42:49,367 --> 00:42:51,169
I MEAN, I'M A LITTLE BATTY.

1633
00:42:51,169 --> 00:42:52,037
>> YOU GOT TO BE CRAZY TO DO

1634
00:42:52,037 --> 00:42:53,138
THIS.

1635
00:42:53,138 --> 00:42:54,005
YOU GOT--YOU GOT TO HAVE

1636
00:42:54,005 --> 00:42:54,873
A SCREW LOOSE.

1637
00:42:54,873 --> 00:42:57,175
WHY NOT LIVE JUST AN EASYGOING,

1638
00:42:57,175 --> 00:42:59,745
CALM LIFE LIKE THE AVERAGE BEAR,

1639
00:42:59,745 --> 00:43:01,379
YOU KNOW, AND JUST TAKE WHAT

1640
00:43:01,379 --> 00:43:03,314
LIFE IS--THROWS AT YOU AND DEAL

1641
00:43:03,314 --> 00:43:04,182
WITH THAT?

1642
00:43:04,182 --> 00:43:06,051
NO, WE'VE GOT TO READ A PLAY

1643
00:43:06,051 --> 00:43:07,919
ABOUT, YOU KNOW, OUR PARENTS

1644
00:43:07,919 --> 00:43:08,920
DYING IN A CAR ACCIDENT WHEN

1645
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:09,821
THEY'RE YOUNG.

1646
00:43:09,821 --> 00:43:11,657
AND THEN THEY GROW UP, AND THEY

1647
00:43:11,657 --> 00:43:13,258
LOSE EVERYTHING IN A GREAT

1648
00:43:13,258 --> 00:43:15,661
DEPRESSION AND THEN ARE REBORN

1649
00:43:15,661 --> 00:43:17,829
BY SOME MIRACLE OF

1650
00:43:17,829 --> 00:43:20,198
DEUS EX MACHINA THAT, YOU KNOW,

1651
00:43:20,198 --> 00:43:21,767
SAVES THEM FROM THE FIERY PIT

1652
00:43:21,767 --> 00:43:23,201
IN THE END, AND THEN, YOU KNOW,

1653
00:43:23,201 --> 00:43:24,402
YOU GO OUT TO YOUR APPLAUSE.

1654
00:43:24,435 --> 00:43:29,841
[futuristic music]

1655
00:43:29,841 --> 00:43:33,044
>> EVERYBODY DOES "STAR TREK."

1656
00:43:42,654 --> 00:43:44,956
SOME OF US MORE THAN ONCE.

1657
00:43:44,956 --> 00:43:46,424
I'VE DONE FOUR "STAR TREKS."

1658
00:43:46,424 --> 00:43:47,926
"NEXT GENERATION..."

1659
00:43:47,926 --> 00:43:50,295
"VOYAGER," TWO MOVIES.

1660
00:43:50,295 --> 00:43:51,730
>> I'VE BEEN A FERENGI.

1661
00:43:51,730 --> 00:43:56,101
I'VE HAD FOAM CHEEKS OF ASS

1662
00:43:56,101 --> 00:43:57,335
GLUED TO MY FOREHEAD.

1663
00:43:57,335 --> 00:43:58,236
>> I'VE DONE A NUMBER OF

1664
00:43:58,236 --> 00:43:59,104
"STAR TREKS."

1665
00:43:59,104 --> 00:44:00,305
>> "STAR TREK" WAS ALWAYS

1666
00:44:00,305 --> 00:44:01,907
ABOUT--TO ME, IT'S ALMOST

1667
00:44:01,907 --> 00:44:02,808
SHAKESPEAREAN.

1668
00:44:02,808 --> 00:44:03,809
YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO

1669
00:44:03,809 --> 00:44:05,711
HANDLE THE LANGUAGE, WHICH IS,

1670
00:44:05,711 --> 00:44:06,945
YOU KNOW, A LITTLE STILTED,

1671
00:44:06,945 --> 00:44:08,013
A LITTLE THEATRICAL, A LITTLE

1672
00:44:08,013 --> 00:44:09,314
LARGER THAN LIFE.

1673
00:44:09,314 --> 00:44:10,682
>> I THINK MY FIRST JOB IN

1674
00:44:10,682 --> 00:44:12,684
L.A. WAS "STAR TREK: VOYAGER,"

1675
00:44:12,684 --> 00:44:14,886
AND I PLAYED A ROBOT.

1676
00:44:14,886 --> 00:44:17,322
[laughing]

1677
00:44:17,322 --> 00:44:18,990
OH, I DID "STAR TREK: VOYAGER."

1678
00:44:18,990 --> 00:44:20,892
THIS TIME I WAS HUMAN.

1679
00:44:20,892 --> 00:44:22,127
THE LAST "STAR TREK" SERIES,

1680
00:44:22,127 --> 00:44:23,294
"STAR TREK: ENTERPRISE,"

1681
00:44:23,294 --> 00:44:24,796
MY GUY IS A SLOTH...

1682
00:44:24,796 --> 00:44:25,864
SO HE'D LOOK A LOT LIKE

1683
00:44:25,864 --> 00:44:26,965
CHEWBACCA.

1684
00:44:26,965 --> 00:44:27,933
TO THIS DAY, I SAY IT'S ONE OF

1685
00:44:27,933 --> 00:44:29,367
THE BEST JOBS ANY ACTOR COULD

1686
00:44:29,367 --> 00:44:30,235
HAVE.

1687
00:44:30,268 --> 00:44:31,436
>> FOR ME TO TAKE A BUNCH OF

1688
00:44:31,436 --> 00:44:32,871
WORDS THAT ON THE PAPER LOOKED

1689
00:44:32,871 --> 00:44:34,305
LIKE SOMETHING OUT OF AN

1690
00:44:34,305 --> 00:44:36,074
ENCYCLOPEDIA AND CONVINCING THE

1691
00:44:36,074 --> 00:44:38,343
VIEWERSHIP THAT THIS IS A REAL

1692
00:44:38,343 --> 00:44:39,845
PERSON SAYING SOME REALLY

1693
00:44:39,845 --> 00:44:41,079
INTERESTING STUFF--

1694
00:44:41,079 --> 00:44:42,280
I KNOW HOW TO DO THAT.

1695
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:43,715
>> I OFTEN PLAY LAWYERS AND

1696
00:44:43,715 --> 00:44:46,084
DOCTORS, AND I HAVE A GREAT DEAL

1697
00:44:46,084 --> 00:44:47,352
OF DIFFICULTY WITH LEGALESE

1698
00:44:47,352 --> 00:44:49,254
OR MEDICAL TECHNOLOGY BECAUSE

1699
00:44:49,254 --> 00:44:50,221
I DON'T--IT DOESN'T MEAN

1700
00:44:50,221 --> 00:44:51,089
ANYTHING.

1701
00:44:51,089 --> 00:44:52,023
I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT IT--

1702
00:44:52,023 --> 00:44:52,891
WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.

1703
00:44:52,891 --> 00:44:53,859
YOU KNOW, YOU READ THESE THINGS.

1704
00:44:53,859 --> 00:44:54,760
YOU GO, "WHAT ARE YOU TALKING

1705
00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:55,493
ABOUT?"

1706
00:44:55,493 --> 00:44:56,828
NO ONE SOUNDS LIKE A HUMAN

1707
00:44:56,828 --> 00:44:57,495
BEING.

1708
00:44:57,495 --> 00:44:58,363
>> YOU KNOW WHEN YOU HAVE A

1709
00:44:58,363 --> 00:45:00,098
MOUTH FULL OF HORSESHIT TO SAY,

1710
00:45:00,098 --> 00:45:01,332
YOU JUST GOT TO GET ALL OUT OF

1711
00:45:01,332 --> 00:45:02,400
YOUR MOUTH.

1712
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:03,935
SAVE IT THERE, AND YOU CAN BE

1713
00:45:03,935 --> 00:45:04,870
ANYWHERE YOU WANT UNTIL THE

1714
00:45:04,870 --> 00:45:05,871
LAST WORD.

1715
00:45:05,871 --> 00:45:06,938
>> IN TV, YOU GOT TO KNOW IT

1716
00:45:06,938 --> 00:45:08,339
FAST AND YOU GOT IT--BECAUSE

1717
00:45:08,339 --> 00:45:09,908
YOU CAN GET OFFERED A JOB TODAY

1718
00:45:09,908 --> 00:45:11,509
AND START SHOOTING TOMORROW.

1719
00:45:11,509 --> 00:45:14,112
>> THEY BOOKED ME AT 11:30

1720
00:45:14,112 --> 00:45:16,481
AT NIGHT.

1721
00:45:16,481 --> 00:45:18,449
THE SCRIPT NEVER ARRIVED THERE

1722
00:45:18,449 --> 00:45:21,820
TILL 1:30.

1723
00:45:21,820 --> 00:45:24,422
AND I HAD TO BE THERE AT 6:30.

1724
00:45:24,422 --> 00:45:26,257
I WAS ACTUALLY GOING TO

1725
00:45:26,257 --> 00:45:28,459
LITERALLY WALK INTO COSTUME

1726
00:45:28,459 --> 00:45:29,394
BECAUSE I HAD TO GET ALL MY

1727
00:45:29,394 --> 00:45:31,196
SUITS COMING IN, LEARNING THE

1728
00:45:31,196 --> 00:45:32,063
STUFF, TRYING TO LEARN IT,

1729
00:45:32,063 --> 00:45:32,964
TRYING TO LEARN IT, TRYING TO

1730
00:45:32,964 --> 00:45:33,832
LEARN IT.

1731
00:45:33,832 --> 00:45:36,001
>> THERE ISN'T ONE PART OF WHAT

1732
00:45:36,001 --> 00:45:39,004
I DO THAT I DON'T LIKE.

1733
00:45:39,004 --> 00:45:41,339
FROM THE MINUTE THEY SAY,

1734
00:45:41,339 --> 00:45:43,241
"WE'RE READY FOR YOU IN HAIR

1735
00:45:43,241 --> 00:45:44,142
AND MAKEUP.

1736
00:45:44,142 --> 00:45:45,010
WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE FOR

1737
00:45:45,010 --> 00:45:45,877
BREAKFAST?

1738
00:45:45,877 --> 00:45:46,778
CAN WE GET A REHEARSAL?

1739
00:45:46,778 --> 00:45:48,346
YOUR WARDROBE IS READY."

1740
00:45:48,346 --> 00:45:50,315
I LIKE EVERY PART OF IT.

1741
00:45:50,315 --> 00:45:51,316
>> YOU KNOW WHAT, I'VE NEVER

1742
00:45:51,316 --> 00:45:52,250
HAD A BAD EXPERIENCE.

1743
00:45:52,250 --> 00:45:53,251
I'VE GOT TO BE HONEST WITH YOU.

1744
00:45:53,251 --> 00:45:55,320
I'VE NEVER NOT WANTED TO GO

1745
00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:56,421
TO WORK.

1746
00:45:56,421 --> 00:45:57,355
I'VE ALWAYS LOVED THE

1747
00:45:57,355 --> 00:45:58,256
ENVIRONMENT OF THE FILM

1748
00:45:58,256 --> 00:45:59,290
BUSINESS, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN?

1749
00:45:59,290 --> 00:46:01,159
BUT MY BEST EVER JOB OVERALL

1750
00:46:01,159 --> 00:46:04,229
FOR THE WHOLE EXPERIENCE WAS,

1751
00:46:04,229 --> 00:46:05,496
I THINK, "CLIFFHANGER."

1752
00:46:05,530 --> 00:46:08,033
TO GET OFF THAT PLANE AND ALL OF

1753
00:46:08,033 --> 00:46:10,802
A SUDDEN, FIND MYSELF WITHIN

1754
00:46:10,802 --> 00:46:13,304
MY OWN DREAM, BUT IT WAS REAL.

1755
00:46:13,338 --> 00:46:14,172
I USED TO PINCH MYSELF EVERY

1756
00:46:14,172 --> 00:46:15,040
DAY.

1757
00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:16,274
"I'M IN A HOLLYWOOD ACTION MOVIE

1758
00:46:16,274 --> 00:46:17,342
WITH SYLVESTER STALLONE."

1759
00:46:17,342 --> 00:46:18,209
IT WAS CONSTANT.

1760
00:46:18,209 --> 00:46:19,077
AND YOU KNOW WHAT?

1761
00:46:19,077 --> 00:46:19,978
AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT WAS

1762
00:46:19,978 --> 00:46:20,846
A TINY PART.

1763
00:46:20,846 --> 00:46:23,481
AND STILL NOW WHEN IT'S ON,

1764
00:46:23,481 --> 00:46:24,515
BECAUSE IT'S ON EVERY OTHER DAY,

1765
00:46:24,515 --> 00:46:25,817
JUST SEEING YOUR NAME ON

1766
00:46:25,817 --> 00:46:26,952
THE SCREEN WITH THAT MUSIC, AND

1767
00:46:26,952 --> 00:46:29,520
IT'S A HUGE BUZZ.

1768
00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:31,022
>> I DO HAVE AN ACTION FIGURE.

1769
00:46:31,022 --> 00:46:33,058
FOR "24," I'M VERY PROUD OF IT.

1770
00:46:33,058 --> 00:46:33,992
THAT'S ONE OF MY GREATEST

1771
00:46:33,992 --> 00:46:34,860
ACHIEVEMENTS.

1772
00:46:34,860 --> 00:46:35,526
ALL RIGHT, CAN YOU GET

1773
00:46:35,526 --> 00:46:36,427
A CLOSE-UP?

1774
00:46:36,427 --> 00:46:37,528
>> HANG ON.

1775
00:46:37,528 --> 00:46:38,997
>> REMARKABLY ACCURATE.

1776
00:46:38,997 --> 00:46:40,331
CAN YOU SEE THE HAIRLINE THERE?

1777
00:46:40,331 --> 00:46:41,266
>> THIS ACTUALLY HAS MORE HAIR

1778
00:46:41,266 --> 00:46:42,133
THAT I DO NOW.

1779
00:46:42,133 --> 00:46:43,434
I DON'T WANT TO OPEN IT JUST

1780
00:46:43,434 --> 00:46:45,170
BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, 20 YEARS FROM

1781
00:46:45,170 --> 00:46:46,938
NOW, I HAVE TO SELL IT ON EBAY.

1782
00:46:46,938 --> 00:46:49,007
THAT'S SO COOL.

1783
00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:50,508
>> SOMETIMES I THINK, YOU KNOW,

1784
00:46:50,508 --> 00:46:52,077
"JEEZ, I DID PRETTY WELL,

1785
00:46:52,077 --> 00:46:52,944
YOU KNOW."

1786
00:46:52,944 --> 00:46:54,545
THEY'LL SAY, "JEEZ, I JUST--

1787
00:46:54,545 --> 00:46:55,613
I JUST REALLY HOPE YOU CAN

1788
00:46:55,613 --> 00:46:57,248
MAKE IT SOMEDAY, YOU KNOW."

1789
00:46:57,282 --> 00:46:58,283
[laughing] SO--

1790
00:46:58,283 --> 00:46:59,918
>> BUT IT'S NOT ENOUGH.

1791
00:46:59,918 --> 00:47:01,319
I WANT TO BE STAR.

1792
00:47:01,319 --> 00:47:02,487
WE'D ALL LOVE TO BE UP THERE.

1793
00:47:02,487 --> 00:47:03,421
I MEAN, ANY ACTOR WHO SAYS HE

1794
00:47:03,421 --> 00:47:04,422
DON'T IS LYING.

1795
00:47:04,422 --> 00:47:06,257
IT'S LIKE, YOU KNOW, WE'D ALL

1796
00:47:06,257 --> 00:47:07,458
LIKE TO BE MORE SUCCESSFUL THAN

1797
00:47:07,458 --> 00:47:08,626
WHERE WE ACTUALLY ARE.

1798
00:47:08,626 --> 00:47:11,029
YOU KNOW, I DEFINITELY DO.

1799
00:47:11,062 --> 00:47:12,230
>> ONE OF MY FAVORITE SCENES

1800
00:47:12,230 --> 00:47:15,166
EVER ON FILM IS FROM "DAMAGES,"

1801
00:47:15,166 --> 00:47:17,035
AND IT PARTLY COMES FROM--

1802
00:47:17,035 --> 00:47:17,936
I WAS A SERIES REGULAR FOR

1803
00:47:17,936 --> 00:47:19,004
THE FIRST TIME IN MY LIFE.

1804
00:47:19,004 --> 00:47:20,238
AND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN

1805
00:47:20,238 --> 00:47:21,940
BEING EVEN RECURRING AND

1806
00:47:21,940 --> 00:47:23,308
CERTAINLY BETWEEN BEING--

1807
00:47:23,308 --> 00:47:24,509
DOING A GUEST JOB AND BEING

1808
00:47:24,509 --> 00:47:25,410
A SERIES REGULAR, THERE'S

1809
00:47:25,410 --> 00:47:28,046
A HUGE PSYCHOLOGICAL DIFFERENCE.

1810
00:47:28,079 --> 00:47:31,116
>> GUEST STARRING IS--IT IS

1811
00:47:31,116 --> 00:47:33,551
ONE OF THE TOUGHEST WAYS TO MAKE

1812
00:47:33,551 --> 00:47:34,920
A LIVING IN THIS BUSINESS.

1813
00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:36,021
YOU DON'T KNOW THESE OTHER

1814
00:47:36,021 --> 00:47:37,255
ACTORS, YOU DON'T KNOW THE CREW,

1815
00:47:37,255 --> 00:47:38,289
YOU DON'T KNOW THE DYNAMIC.

1816
00:47:38,289 --> 00:47:39,157
[snaps fingers]

1817
00:47:39,157 --> 00:47:40,091
AND YOU GOT TO HIT THERE,

1818
00:47:40,091 --> 00:47:43,461
AND IT'S GOT TO FEEL LIKE THE

1819
00:47:43,461 --> 00:47:44,595
REG--LIKE, IT'S GOT TO BE

1820
00:47:44,595 --> 00:47:46,231
ABSOLUTELY COHESIVE AND IT'S--

1821
00:47:46,231 --> 00:47:47,165
IT CAN BE REALLY HARD.

1822
00:47:47,165 --> 00:47:48,133
>> AND YOU'RE WALKING IN, AND

1823
00:47:48,133 --> 00:47:49,067
YOU'RE WAITING FOR THE FIRST

1824
00:47:49,067 --> 00:47:50,035
PERSON TO SAY HELLO IN

1825
00:47:50,035 --> 00:47:51,970
A FRIENDLY WAY, YOU KNOW.

1826
00:47:51,970 --> 00:47:52,670
AND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN

1827
00:47:52,670 --> 00:47:54,272
PEOPLE SAYING, "HI, I'M SO GLAD

1828
00:47:54,272 --> 00:47:55,140
YOU'RE HERE," AND PEOPLE

1829
00:47:55,140 --> 00:47:57,208
SAYING, "HEY."

1830
00:47:57,208 --> 00:47:58,509
>> I MEAN, I'VE SAT IN TRAILERS

1831
00:47:58,509 --> 00:47:59,677
SO MANY TIMES IN MAKEUP CHAIRS,

1832
00:47:59,677 --> 00:48:03,048
AND THE REGULARS JUST PASS BY.

1833
00:48:03,048 --> 00:48:04,115
DON'T EVEN ACKNOWLEDGE THAT

1834
00:48:04,115 --> 00:48:04,983
YOU'RE THERE.

1835
00:48:04,983 --> 00:48:06,051
>> IF YOU WANT TO BE PART OF

1836
00:48:06,051 --> 00:48:08,686
THE PARTY, YOU'RE IN TROUBLE.

1837
00:48:08,686 --> 00:48:10,555
SO WHAT YOU DO IS YOU LEARN

1838
00:48:10,555 --> 00:48:11,957
YOUR LINES, YOU HIT YOUR MARKS,

1839
00:48:11,957 --> 00:48:13,124
AND YOU STAY OUT OF EVERYBODY'S

1840
00:48:13,124 --> 00:48:13,992
WAY.

1841
00:48:13,992 --> 00:48:15,426
>> YOU DON'T GET PAID, YOU KNOW,

1842
00:48:15,426 --> 00:48:17,395
ANYTHING LIKE YOU GET PAID

1843
00:48:17,395 --> 00:48:18,396
AS A SERIES REGULAR.

1844
00:48:18,396 --> 00:48:20,198
>> YOU DO GET--SOMETHING THEY

1845
00:48:20,198 --> 00:48:22,700
DON'T TEACH--CAREER CURVES,

1846
00:48:22,700 --> 00:48:24,102
UPS AND DOWN.

1847
00:48:24,102 --> 00:48:25,436
YOU--YOU'RE GONNA GET THEM

1848
00:48:25,436 --> 00:48:26,437
WHEN YOU GET USED UP.

1849
00:48:26,471 --> 00:48:28,339
I DID 10 TELEVISIONS IN ONE

1850
00:48:28,339 --> 00:48:30,308
YEAR, AND IN THE NEXT, I DIDN'T

1851
00:48:30,308 --> 00:48:31,176
WORK FOR 18 MONTHS.

1852
00:48:31,209 --> 00:48:32,110
>> I THINK I'VE BEEN FIRED

1853
00:48:32,110 --> 00:48:34,445
TWICE, WHICH I LOVE ACTUALLY.

1854
00:48:34,445 --> 00:48:35,580
I LOVE GETTING FIRED.

1855
00:48:35,580 --> 00:48:36,714
AND THE WAY THEY DID IT--THEY

1856
00:48:36,714 --> 00:48:38,116
WERE ALL SO MEAN AND WEIRD.

1857
00:48:38,116 --> 00:48:39,450
BUT THEY DIDN'T LIKE WHAT I WAS

1858
00:48:39,450 --> 00:48:40,318
DOING, SO THAT'S COOL.

1859
00:48:40,318 --> 00:48:41,286
>> YOU'RE NOBODY IN THIS TOWN

1860
00:48:41,286 --> 00:48:42,153
UNTIL YOU'VE BEEN FIRED.

1861
00:48:42,153 --> 00:48:43,454
AND WHEN IT HAPPENS, I DON'T

1862
00:48:43,454 --> 00:48:44,522
CARE HOW LONG I'VE BEEN WORKING,

1863
00:48:44,522 --> 00:48:46,157
I WILL BE SHATTERED.

1864
00:48:46,157 --> 00:48:47,625
I WILL CRY LIKE A LITTLE GIRL.

1865
00:48:47,625 --> 00:48:48,994
>> WELL, THERE ARE TIMES WHEN,

1866
00:48:48,994 --> 00:48:50,328
YOU KNOW, I DIDN'T GET THAT JOB,

1867
00:48:50,328 --> 00:48:51,562
AND THEY HIRED THAT ASSHOLE,

1868
00:48:51,562 --> 00:48:52,430
AND IT SUCKS.

1869
00:48:52,430 --> 00:48:54,132
AND I'M GLAD.

1870
00:48:54,132 --> 00:48:55,166
AND SINK.

1871
00:48:55,166 --> 00:48:56,234
BUT THEN LOTS OF TIMES, THAT'S

1872
00:48:56,234 --> 00:48:57,102
A BIG HIT.

1873
00:48:57,102 --> 00:48:58,336
[laughing]

1874
00:48:58,336 --> 00:48:59,504
SO THE JOKE'S ON ME.

1875
00:48:59,504 --> 00:49:01,172
MAYBE THEY WERE RIGHT.

1876
00:49:11,482 --> 00:49:14,619
>> DO I HAVE TO ANSWER THAT?

1877
00:49:14,619 --> 00:49:17,488
YEAH, AND THAT'S THE REALLY BAD

1878
00:49:17,488 --> 00:49:21,092
PART OF ME, YOU KNOW.

1879
00:49:21,092 --> 00:49:23,194
THAT'S THE PART THAT I KEEP

1880
00:49:23,194 --> 00:49:24,062
IN THE CORNER WITH THE DUNCE

1881
00:49:24,062 --> 00:49:24,762
HAT ON.

1882
00:49:24,762 --> 00:49:26,364
>> YEAH, I KNOW EXACTLY WHAT

1883
00:49:26,364 --> 00:49:27,232
YOU MEAN, YEAH.

1884
00:49:27,232 --> 00:49:28,266
>> HE'S INCREDIBLY HONEST,

1885
00:49:28,266 --> 00:49:29,134
YEAH.

1886
00:49:29,134 --> 00:49:30,668
>> I MEAN, I AM--I'M NOT

1887
00:49:30,668 --> 00:49:31,536
COMPETITIVE.

1888
00:49:31,536 --> 00:49:34,605
I MEAN, THAT'S NOT TRUE.

1889
00:49:34,605 --> 00:49:36,674
>> "HOW DID YOU GET THAT?

1890
00:49:36,674 --> 00:49:38,076
WHAT DID YOU DO TO GET THAT?"

1891
00:49:38,076 --> 00:49:40,778
"I AUDITIONED, I SPOKE SOME

1892
00:49:40,778 --> 00:49:42,013
WORDS, THEY LIKED ME, AND I GOT

1893
00:49:42,013 --> 00:49:43,081
IT."

1894
00:49:43,081 --> 00:49:44,082
"REALLY?"

1895
00:49:44,082 --> 00:49:44,749
>> YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU GO TO

1896
00:49:44,749 --> 00:49:45,683
THE MOVIES AND SEE YOUR FRIENDS

1897
00:49:45,683 --> 00:49:47,718
IN LEADING ROLES AND--

1898
00:49:47,718 --> 00:49:48,653
OR YOU TURN ON THE TV AND,

1899
00:49:48,653 --> 00:49:50,255
YOU KNOW, YOU SEE YOUR PALS,

1900
00:49:50,255 --> 00:49:51,456
YOU KNOW, DOING SOME GREAT WORK,

1901
00:49:51,456 --> 00:49:52,690
YOU KNOW, WEEK IN AND WEEK OUT,

1902
00:49:52,690 --> 00:49:54,359
AND, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE STILL

1903
00:49:54,359 --> 00:49:55,260
WAITING FOR THE CELL PHONE

1904
00:49:55,260 --> 00:49:57,295
TO RING, IT DOES KIND OF HURT.

1905
00:49:57,295 --> 00:49:58,263
>> I NEVER FELT LIKE SOMEONE

1906
00:49:58,263 --> 00:49:59,597
ELSE'S GETTING SOMETHING WOULD

1907
00:49:59,597 --> 00:50:01,366
TAKE AWAY FROM ANYTHING YOU

1908
00:50:01,366 --> 00:50:02,233
WOULD EVER GET.

1909
00:50:02,233 --> 00:50:03,234
>> NO, I DON'T AGREE WITH VIDAL

1910
00:50:03,234 --> 00:50:06,171
BECAUSE THAT'S BITCHY.

1911
00:50:06,171 --> 00:50:07,205
HE'S A GOOD WRITER, BUT IT'S

1912
00:50:07,205 --> 00:50:08,106
BITCHY.

1913
00:50:08,106 --> 00:50:09,374
>> NOW, IF I'M IN A SERIES,

1914
00:50:09,374 --> 00:50:11,409
I WISH EVERYBODY SUCCESS.

1915
00:50:11,409 --> 00:50:12,343
>> BUT YOU KNOW, WHAT HAPPENED

1916
00:50:12,343 --> 00:50:13,278
TO THE ACTORS TOO, WHICH IS

1917
00:50:13,278 --> 00:50:14,645
A GREAT THING, THIS KIND OF

1918
00:50:14,645 --> 00:50:15,780
A CLUB, AND WE SEE EACH OTHER

1919
00:50:15,780 --> 00:50:17,148
IN AN AIRPORT OR IN A PLANE

1920
00:50:17,148 --> 00:50:18,516
OR IN SOMEWHERE.

1921
00:50:18,516 --> 00:50:20,085
AND THEN--AND YOU FALL IN, LIKE

1922
00:50:20,085 --> 00:50:22,120
YOU HAD JUST--LIKE YOU ARE ALL

1923
00:50:22,120 --> 00:50:23,054
CAMPERS, YOU KNOW.

1924
00:50:23,054 --> 00:50:24,755
THE TIME--OR YOU WERE LIKE

1925
00:50:24,755 --> 00:50:25,790
ALCOHOLICS, I THINK IS BETTER.

1926
00:50:25,823 --> 00:50:26,757
>> BUT FOR INSTANCE, I MEAN

1927
00:50:26,757 --> 00:50:27,625
JUST TO GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE,

1928
00:50:27,625 --> 00:50:29,560
I'M FRIENDS WITH JOHN SLATTERY,

1929
00:50:29,560 --> 00:50:31,229
WHO WAS IN MY CATEGORY IN THE--

1930
00:50:31,229 --> 00:50:32,463
UP FOR THE EMMYS.

1931
00:50:32,463 --> 00:50:34,199
SLATTERY CAME UP TO ME DURING

1932
00:50:34,199 --> 00:50:35,166
THE SHOW AT ONE POINT AND,

1933
00:50:35,166 --> 00:50:37,068
YOU KNOW, AND CONGRATULATED ME,

1934
00:50:37,068 --> 00:50:37,802
AND HE WAS VERY SWEET ABOUT IT.

1935
00:50:37,835 --> 00:50:39,470
AND I WAS KIND OF TONGUE-TIED

1936
00:50:39,470 --> 00:50:41,272
BECAUSE--BECAUSE I KNEW HOW

1937
00:50:41,272 --> 00:50:42,207
I WOULD FEEL.

1938
00:50:42,207 --> 00:50:43,241
IN THAT MOMENT I'D FEEL LIKE,

1939
00:50:43,241 --> 00:50:44,175
"WELL, THAT'S VERY NICE FOR

1940
00:50:44,175 --> 00:50:45,110
MY FRIEND," BUT ON THE OTHER

1941
00:50:45,110 --> 00:50:46,244
HAND, I'D RATHER BE HIM RIGHT

1942
00:50:46,244 --> 00:50:47,112
NOW.

1943
00:50:47,112 --> 00:50:48,579
>> I-I WAS MORE CONSUMED WITH

1944
00:50:48,579 --> 00:50:49,647
THAT WHEN I WAS YOUNG.

1945
00:50:49,680 --> 00:50:51,616
I--EVERYBODY WAS MY COMPETITION.

1946
00:50:51,616 --> 00:50:54,819
IT DIDN'T MATTER.

1947
00:50:54,852 --> 00:50:56,487
IT'S A LOT OF WASTED ENERGY.

1948
00:50:56,487 --> 00:50:57,388
>> I MEAN, THERE ARE SOME WHO

1949
00:50:57,388 --> 00:50:58,323
ARE--YOU KNOW, WHO ARE DICKS,

1950
00:50:58,323 --> 00:50:59,290
WHO ARE EGOMANIACS, WHO ARE SO

1951
00:50:59,290 --> 00:51:00,825
WRAPPED UP IN THEMSELVES.

1952
00:51:00,825 --> 00:51:01,826
I KNOW I'M FAIRLY WRAPPED UP IN

1953
00:51:01,826 --> 00:51:02,693
MYSELF.

1954
00:51:02,693 --> 00:51:03,694
>> I HAD A FRIEND I REMEMBER

1955
00:51:03,694 --> 00:51:05,096
WHEN I WAS YOUNG, AND I USED TO

1956
00:51:05,096 --> 00:51:05,763
GO ON AND ON AND ON AND TELL

1957
00:51:05,763 --> 00:51:06,631
HER EVERYTHING.

1958
00:51:06,631 --> 00:51:07,498
AND THEN SHE WOULD SAY,

1959
00:51:07,498 --> 00:51:08,666
"I'M GOOD TOO."

1960
00:51:08,666 --> 00:51:11,236
AND I'D--I HAD NO IDEA WHAT

1961
00:51:11,236 --> 00:51:12,470
SHE MEANT.

1962
00:51:12,470 --> 00:51:16,841
[thunder rumbles]

1963
00:51:21,679 --> 00:51:23,114
>> THE BUSINESS IS SO DIFFICULT.

1964
00:51:23,114 --> 00:51:24,115
YOU'LL GET THAT FROM ALL OF YOUR

1965
00:51:24,115 --> 00:51:24,782
ENEMIES.

1966
00:51:24,782 --> 00:51:26,184
DON'T TAKE IT FROM YOUR FRIENDS,

1967
00:51:26,184 --> 00:51:26,851
FOR GOD'S SAKE.

1968
00:51:26,851 --> 00:51:28,753
JUST BE SUPPORTIVE AS YOU CAN.

1969
00:51:28,753 --> 00:51:29,887
I SOUND LIKE I'M, LIKE, REALLY

1970
00:51:29,887 --> 00:51:30,755
MAGNANIMOUS.

1971
00:51:30,755 --> 00:51:31,689
I'M, LIKE, AS CREEPY AND AS

1972
00:51:31,689 --> 00:51:32,723
AWFUL AS THE REST OF THEM.

1973
00:51:32,723 --> 00:51:33,591
>> I NEVER THOUGHT IT WAS A

1974
00:51:33,591 --> 00:51:36,127
VIABLE WAY TO MAKE A LIVING.

1975
00:51:36,127 --> 00:51:37,228
>> I-I GOTTA TELL YOU, I STILL

1976
00:51:37,228 --> 00:51:38,229
DON'T THINK I CAN MAKE A LIVING

1977
00:51:38,229 --> 00:51:38,896
DOING IT.

1978
00:51:38,896 --> 00:51:39,764
>> WELL, AS AN ACTOR IN THE

1979
00:51:39,764 --> 00:51:40,731
SCREEN ACTORS GUILD--WHAT IS

1980
00:51:40,731 --> 00:51:41,632
IT?

1981
00:51:41,632 --> 00:51:43,601
99.4% OF THE SCREEN ACTORS GUILD

1982
00:51:43,601 --> 00:51:45,503
IS UNEMPLOYED ON ANY GIVEN DAY.

1983
00:51:45,503 --> 00:51:46,471
>> I MEAN, THE SCREEN ACTORS

1984
00:51:46,471 --> 00:51:47,638
GUILD IS FILLED WITH PEOPLE

1985
00:51:47,638 --> 00:51:49,407
WHO'VE WORKED ONE JOB AND KEEP

1986
00:51:49,407 --> 00:51:50,308
PAYING THEIR DUES.

1987
00:51:50,308 --> 00:51:51,642
>> THE BIGGEST CHALLENGE TO

1988
00:51:51,642 --> 00:51:53,544
BEING AN ACTOR IS HOW TO GET

1989
00:51:53,544 --> 00:51:56,847
THROUGH THE, YOU KNOW,

1990
00:51:56,847 --> 00:51:57,782
UNEMPLOYMENT.

1991
00:51:57,782 --> 00:51:58,716
>> THE BEST THING ABOUT BEING

1992
00:51:58,716 --> 00:51:59,684
AN ACTOR IS YOU HAVE A LOT OF

1993
00:51:59,684 --> 00:52:00,551
TIME OFF.

1994
00:52:00,551 --> 00:52:01,819
AND THE WORST THING ABOUT BEING

1995
00:52:01,819 --> 00:52:02,753
AN ACTOR IS YOU HAVE A LOT OF

1996
00:52:02,753 --> 00:52:03,654
TIME OFF.

1997
00:52:03,654 --> 00:52:07,458
>> THE DRY SPELLS ARE A PART

1998
00:52:07,458 --> 00:52:08,326
OF THE BUSINESS.

1999
00:52:08,326 --> 00:52:09,194
I REMEMBER SITTING WITH

2000
00:52:09,194 --> 00:52:09,927
HENRY FONDA.

2001
00:52:09,927 --> 00:52:10,928
AND HE SAID, "WELL, THERE'S

2002
00:52:10,928 --> 00:52:12,730
ONLY ONE JOB THIS YEAR, AND

2003
00:52:12,730 --> 00:52:14,299
IT'S GONNA GO PROBABLY

2004
00:52:14,299 --> 00:52:15,233
TO STEWART."

2005
00:52:15,233 --> 00:52:15,900
>> THEY ALL--THEY SAY IN

2006
00:52:15,900 --> 00:52:16,934
NEW YORK THAT YOU KNOW YOU'RE

2007
00:52:16,934 --> 00:52:19,670
A SUCCESSFUL ACTOR WHEN YOU CAN

2008
00:52:19,670 --> 00:52:21,372
CLAIM YOUR UNEMPLOYMENT

2009
00:52:21,372 --> 00:52:22,240
BENEFITS.

2010
00:52:22,240 --> 00:52:22,907
THAT MEANS YOU HAVE TO WORK,

2011
00:52:22,907 --> 00:52:23,808
LIKE, 14 WEEKS.

2012
00:52:23,808 --> 00:52:24,709
>> RIGHT.

2013
00:52:24,709 --> 00:52:25,610
>> IF YOU CAN WORK 14 WEEKS

2014
00:52:25,610 --> 00:52:26,944
AS AN ACTOR, THEN YOU GET, LIKE,

2015
00:52:26,944 --> 00:52:28,746
26 WEEKS OF UNEMPLOYMENT.

2016
00:52:28,746 --> 00:52:30,748
AND FOR A LONG TIME, I WOULD

2017
00:52:30,748 --> 00:52:34,452
DESIGN MY LIFESTYLE SO THAT

2018
00:52:34,452 --> 00:52:35,753
I COULD LIVE ON UNEMPLOYMENT.

2019
00:52:35,753 --> 00:52:36,954
>> EVERYBODY HITS THEIR PEAKS

2020
00:52:36,954 --> 00:52:38,356
AND VALLEYS.

2021
00:52:38,356 --> 00:52:41,426
AND, UM, WE'VE HAD PEOPLE WHO

2022
00:52:41,426 --> 00:52:42,493
WERE HOT, HOT, HOT.

2023
00:52:42,493 --> 00:52:43,794
EVERYBODY WANTED THEM AT THE

2024
00:52:43,794 --> 00:52:45,930
SAME TIME AND THEN PERHAPS

2025
00:52:45,930 --> 00:52:47,298
THEY GET ON A TELEVISION SHOW

2026
00:52:47,298 --> 00:52:48,699
THAT'S NOT SUCCESSFUL.

2027
00:52:48,699 --> 00:52:50,801
AND SO WHAT HAPPENS IS THAT

2028
00:52:50,801 --> 00:52:53,638
SUDDENLY THEY'RE COLD.

2029
00:52:53,638 --> 00:52:56,774
>> I'D WORKED AS AN ACTOR FOR

2030
00:52:56,774 --> 00:52:58,876
SEVERAL YEARS, AND THEN IT JUST

2031
00:52:58,876 --> 00:52:59,744
WENT DRY.

2032
00:52:59,744 --> 00:53:00,611
>> IT'S ALWAYS LIKE--

2033
00:53:00,611 --> 00:53:01,512
[groans nervously]

2034
00:53:01,512 --> 00:53:02,613
"OKAY, NEXT."

2035
00:53:02,613 --> 00:53:03,914
[groans nervously]

2036
00:53:03,914 --> 00:53:04,782
AAH!

2037
00:53:04,782 --> 00:53:06,451
>> THERE--THERE'S NOTHING

2038
00:53:06,451 --> 00:53:09,320
BETTER THAN--THAN TO BE

2039
00:53:09,320 --> 00:53:09,987
A WORKING ACTOR.

2040
00:53:09,987 --> 00:53:13,258
THERE IS NOTHING WORSE TO BE

2041
00:53:13,258 --> 00:53:14,225
A NOT WORKING ACTOR.

2042
00:53:14,225 --> 00:53:15,726
>> I USED TO WRITE BAD CHECKS

2043
00:53:15,726 --> 00:53:18,229
FOR PIZZA.

2044
00:53:18,229 --> 00:53:20,331
AND I WOULD BUY, LIKE, TWO OR

2045
00:53:20,331 --> 00:53:20,998
THREE PIZZAS AND PUT THEM

2046
00:53:20,998 --> 00:53:21,932
IN THE REFRIGERATOR BECAUSE

2047
00:53:21,932 --> 00:53:22,833
I DIDN'T HAVE ANY CASH.

2048
00:53:22,833 --> 00:53:23,801
I COULDN'T GO TO THE GROCERY

2049
00:53:23,801 --> 00:53:24,669
STORE.

2050
00:53:24,669 --> 00:53:26,304
SO THEN I WOULD END UP SPENDING

2051
00:53:26,304 --> 00:53:27,772
HALF OF MY NEXT CHECK PAYING

2052
00:53:27,772 --> 00:53:30,775
OFF THE--YOU KNOW, THE 20 BUCKS

2053
00:53:30,775 --> 00:53:31,942
CHECK FOR THE PIZZA PLUS THE

2054
00:53:31,942 --> 00:53:34,345
20-BUCK RETURN CHECK FEE

2055
00:53:34,345 --> 00:53:35,246
BECAUSE IT BOUNCED.

2056
00:53:35,246 --> 00:53:37,515
SO I WAS IN BAD SHAPE THEN.

2057
00:53:37,515 --> 00:53:38,616
>> THE GUY SAID, "I HAVE TO

2058
00:53:38,616 --> 00:53:39,484
READ THE METER.

2059
00:53:39,484 --> 00:53:41,386
YOU OWE, LIKE, $9,000 ON THIS

2060
00:53:41,386 --> 00:53:42,520
APARTMENT."

2061
00:53:42,520 --> 00:53:43,588
I SAID, "OH, REALLY?"

2062
00:53:43,588 --> 00:53:44,622
I SAID, "WHERE IS THE METER?"

2063
00:53:44,622 --> 00:53:45,590
BECAUSE THE METER WAS, LIKE, ON

2064
00:53:45,590 --> 00:53:48,259
THAT TREE, AND I WOULD GO OVER

2065
00:53:48,259 --> 00:53:49,760
UNDERNEATH THIS THING, DOWN

2066
00:53:49,760 --> 00:53:50,661
UNDERNEATH OVER BY THERE,

2067
00:53:50,661 --> 00:53:51,962
AND THERE'D BE A LITTLE TRAP,

2068
00:53:51,962 --> 00:53:53,564
WHICH REALLY WENT TO NOWHERE,

2069
00:53:53,564 --> 00:53:54,899
AND I'D LIFT IT, AND I'D SAY,

2070
00:53:54,899 --> 00:53:56,033
"IT'S DOWN IN THERE.

2071
00:53:56,033 --> 00:53:57,735
BUT I GOTTA TELL YOU, THERE'S

2072
00:53:57,735 --> 00:53:59,670
A LOT OF VERMIN DOWN IN THERE."

2073
00:53:59,670 --> 00:54:00,771
I USED THE WORD "VERMIN."

2074
00:54:00,771 --> 00:54:01,639
THAT SOUNDED LIKE SOMEONE A

2075
00:54:01,639 --> 00:54:03,574
LITTLE SURER, "A LOT OF VERMIN

2076
00:54:03,574 --> 00:54:04,642
DOWN IN THERE."

2077
00:54:04,642 --> 00:54:05,543
AND I LIFT IT UP.

2078
00:54:05,543 --> 00:54:06,411
HE SAID, "OH, FUCK IT."

2079
00:54:06,411 --> 00:54:07,312
THEN HE LEFT.

2080
00:54:07,312 --> 00:54:09,013
I'M SORRY, I-I'LL MAKE SURE TO

2081
00:54:09,013 --> 00:54:10,581
PAY THOSE ELECTRICAL BILLS IF

2082
00:54:10,581 --> 00:54:11,549
THEY'RE STILL DUE."

2083
00:54:11,549 --> 00:54:12,850
>> YOU KNOW, I DID THE JOBS YOU

2084
00:54:12,850 --> 00:54:14,385
DID, YOU KNOW, AS A WAITER OR

2085
00:54:14,385 --> 00:54:16,954
TELEPHONE SURVEYS OR, YOU KNOW,

2086
00:54:16,954 --> 00:54:17,955
ALL THOSE JOBS THAT YOU COULD

2087
00:54:17,955 --> 00:54:19,290
HAVE OFF HOURS.

2088
00:54:19,290 --> 00:54:20,858
>> I WORKED AT THE DOOR AT

2089
00:54:20,858 --> 00:54:21,859
NIGHTCLUBS.

2090
00:54:21,859 --> 00:54:23,528
FOR FOUR OR FIVE YEARS,

2091
00:54:23,528 --> 00:54:25,430
I WAS--YOU KNOW, I WORKED

2092
00:54:25,430 --> 00:54:26,297
ASPHALTING, TARRING ROOFS,

2093
00:54:26,297 --> 00:54:27,332
SCAFFOLDING.

2094
00:54:27,332 --> 00:54:30,000
>> I HAD A JOB FOR THREE MONTHS

2095
00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:33,571
IN A LAW FIRM STAPLING.

2096
00:54:33,571 --> 00:54:34,472
>> I DROVE A CAB.

2097
00:54:34,472 --> 00:54:36,641
I DEALT BLACKJACK.

2098
00:54:36,641 --> 00:54:38,843
I GOT A MASSAGE LICENSE.

2099
00:54:38,843 --> 00:54:40,645
>> I'VE DONE CONTRACTING.

2100
00:54:40,645 --> 00:54:41,979
I'VE BEEN A WINE SALESMAN.

2101
00:54:41,979 --> 00:54:44,682
I'VE DONE TRAINING.

2102
00:54:44,682 --> 00:54:46,817
I DO ALL--A WIDE VARIETY OF

2103
00:54:46,817 --> 00:54:48,486
THINGS TO KEEP FOOD ON THE

2104
00:54:48,486 --> 00:54:49,687
TABLE, KEEP THE MORTGAGE PAID,

2105
00:54:49,687 --> 00:54:50,855
KEEP THE KIDS IN THE SCHOOL.

2106
00:54:50,855 --> 00:54:53,691
>> I HAVE DRIVEN LIMOS, WHICH

2107
00:54:53,691 --> 00:54:56,594
CONTAINED CERTAIN PEOPLE THAT

2108
00:54:56,594 --> 00:54:57,895
YOU WOULD NOT NORMALLY MEET

2109
00:54:57,895 --> 00:54:58,763
DURING THE DAY.

2110
00:54:58,763 --> 00:55:01,766
[laughs]

2111
00:55:01,766 --> 00:55:02,700
AND THEY WOULD ASK FOR ME

2112
00:55:02,700 --> 00:55:04,535
BECAUSE I WAS VERY WELL SPOKEN.

2113
00:55:04,535 --> 00:55:07,438
I NEVER HIT ON THEM, AND I COULD

2114
00:55:07,438 --> 00:55:08,773
MAKE AN AWFUL LOT OF MONEY ON

2115
00:55:08,773 --> 00:55:09,640
A SATURDAY NIGHT.

2116
00:55:09,640 --> 00:55:10,941
>> FOUND THIS JOB WATERING

2117
00:55:10,941 --> 00:55:12,042
PLANTS IN CHICAGO.

2118
00:55:12,042 --> 00:55:13,678
YOU KNOW, I HAD, LIKE, 2,300

2119
00:55:13,678 --> 00:55:14,545
PLANTS ON MY ROUTE.

2120
00:55:14,545 --> 00:55:16,046
DOWNTOWN LOOP AREA OF CHICAGO.

2121
00:55:16,046 --> 00:55:18,015
IT GAVE ME THE FREEDOM TO PUT

2122
00:55:18,015 --> 00:55:20,951
MY BUCKETS DOWN IN THE UTILITY

2123
00:55:20,951 --> 00:55:22,653
CLOSET, WHICH I HAD THE KEY FOR

2124
00:55:22,653 --> 00:55:24,489
IN VARIOUS BUILDINGS, AND GO

2125
00:55:24,489 --> 00:55:26,424
AUDITION.

2126
00:55:26,424 --> 00:55:27,992
>> I MET SOMEONE.

2127
00:55:27,992 --> 00:55:29,660
THIS INCREDIBLE WOMAN WHEN

2128
00:55:29,660 --> 00:55:31,829
I WAS IN COLLEGE, AND WE GOT

2129
00:55:31,829 --> 00:55:34,064
MARRIED, YOU KNOW, FIVE YEARS

2130
00:55:34,064 --> 00:55:34,999
AFTER I WAS IN ACTING SCHOOL.

2131
00:55:34,999 --> 00:55:37,868
AND WE JUST--SHE MADE IT

2132
00:55:37,868 --> 00:55:39,370
POSSIBLE, REALLY, FOR ME.

2133
00:55:39,370 --> 00:55:40,371
IT WAS REALLY HER.

2134
00:55:40,371 --> 00:55:41,672
SHE SUPPORTED ME FOR THE FIRST

2135
00:55:41,672 --> 00:55:44,609
FIVE YEARS OF OUR--OF REALLY

2136
00:55:44,609 --> 00:55:45,843
BEING IN NEW YORK AND TRYING

2137
00:55:45,843 --> 00:55:48,045
TO--SHE WAS SLAVING IT AWAY.

2138
00:55:48,045 --> 00:55:49,013
SHE WANTED TO BE AN ACTRESS TOO.

2139
00:55:49,013 --> 00:55:50,648
SHE DROPPED OUT, AND SHE WAS

2140
00:55:50,648 --> 00:55:52,450
WORKING IN SOME CORPORATE

2141
00:55:52,450 --> 00:55:54,885
OFFICES WHILE I WAS GOOFING

2142
00:55:54,885 --> 00:55:56,454
AROUND ONSTAGE.

2143
00:55:56,454 --> 00:55:57,655
>> I ALWAYS LIKE THE IDEA OF

2144
00:55:57,655 --> 00:56:00,391
THIS VAGABOND LONER GUY WHO

2145
00:56:00,391 --> 00:56:01,392
KIND OF DIDN'T WANT TO BE

2146
00:56:01,392 --> 00:56:03,494
COMMITTED INTO ONE PLACE.

2147
00:56:03,494 --> 00:56:05,863
I-IT'S PARTLY SELFISH, YOU

2148
00:56:05,863 --> 00:56:08,699
KNOW, TO--SELFISHNESS OF YOUTH.

2149
00:56:08,699 --> 00:56:09,667
>> THAT KIND OF LIFESTYLE

2150
00:56:09,667 --> 00:56:11,936
DOESN'T LEND ITSELF TO HAVING

2151
00:56:11,936 --> 00:56:14,739
A GIRLFRIEND, MUCH LESS

2152
00:56:14,739 --> 00:56:15,773
A FAMILY.

2153
00:56:15,773 --> 00:56:17,074
I HAD A DOG THOUGH WITH ME FOR

2154
00:56:17,074 --> 00:56:18,509
THE--ALL OF THOSE YEARS.

2155
00:56:18,543 --> 00:56:19,744
I HAD A BIG, WHITE SAMOYED

2156
00:56:19,744 --> 00:56:20,611
NAMED SAM.

2157
00:56:20,611 --> 00:56:21,912
HE WAS, LIKE, 100 POUNDS, AND

2158
00:56:21,912 --> 00:56:23,448
HE WENT EVERYWHERE WITH ME.

2159
00:56:23,481 --> 00:56:24,114
>> YOU KNOW, AS LONG AS

2160
00:56:24,114 --> 00:56:25,716
I'M IN SHOW BUSINESS, YOU GOT

2161
00:56:25,716 --> 00:56:26,851
SOMEONE TO SCRATCH YOUR ASS.

2162
00:56:26,851 --> 00:56:27,852
YOU HEAR ME?

2163
00:56:27,852 --> 00:56:29,987
>> BUT WHEN I MET LISA, MY WIFE,

2164
00:56:29,987 --> 00:56:31,121
LISA GIOBBI, WHO WAS A

2165
00:56:31,121 --> 00:56:31,989
CHOREOGRAPHER--

2166
00:56:31,989 --> 00:56:33,057
EVERYTHING SORT OF FELL INTO

2167
00:56:33,057 --> 00:56:34,792
PLACE, AND I WAS--YOU'RE RIGHT.

2168
00:56:34,792 --> 00:56:36,093
I WAS JUST TURNING 40.

2169
00:56:36,093 --> 00:56:37,462
I WAS 39 YEARS OLD, AND I

2170
00:56:37,462 --> 00:56:39,897
THOUGHT "THIS--I THINK IT'S TIME

2171
00:56:39,897 --> 00:56:42,500
FOR ME TO BE WITH THIS PERSON."

2172
00:56:42,500 --> 00:56:43,668
>> WELL, I WAS HERE IN L.A.

2173
00:56:43,668 --> 00:56:44,969
TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, DO FILM

2174
00:56:44,969 --> 00:56:48,105
AND TELEVISION, AND I'D ALREADY

2175
00:56:48,105 --> 00:56:50,741
BOUGHT A HOUSE BY THEN.

2176
00:56:50,741 --> 00:56:54,479
AND I MET MY WIFE.

2177
00:56:54,479 --> 00:56:57,782
SHE CAME TO RENT A ROOM AT MY

2178
00:56:57,782 --> 00:56:59,584
HOUSE, BUT IT WAS TOO EXPENSIVE

2179
00:56:59,584 --> 00:57:01,151
FOR HER, SO SHE TURNED IT DOWN.

2180
00:57:01,151 --> 00:57:03,187
BUT WE ENDED UP GOING TO A PARTY

2181
00:57:03,187 --> 00:57:04,221
AND HOOKING UP ANYWAY.

2182
00:57:04,221 --> 00:57:08,793
NOW, SHE STAYS FOR FREE.

2183
00:57:08,793 --> 00:57:11,562
>> I MARRIED A WOMAN WHO HAD

2184
00:57:11,562 --> 00:57:14,632
STUDIED ACTING, HAD GIVEN IT

2185
00:57:14,632 --> 00:57:15,700
A BIT OF A GO IN NEW YORK,

2186
00:57:15,700 --> 00:57:16,567
CAME OUT HERE, WENT ON ONE

2187
00:57:16,567 --> 00:57:18,736
TOO MANY "BAYWATCH" AUDITIONS

2188
00:57:18,736 --> 00:57:20,605
AND JUST SAID, "FUCK THIS SHIT."

2189
00:57:20,638 --> 00:57:21,739
>> I THINK BECAUSE YOU

2190
00:57:21,739 --> 00:57:22,940
UNDERSTAND EACH OTHER, YOU

2191
00:57:22,940 --> 00:57:24,675
UNDERSTAND THE LIFESTYLE

2192
00:57:24,675 --> 00:57:25,776
YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT IS--

2193
00:57:25,776 --> 00:57:27,011
YOU HAVE TO GO ON LOCATION--

2194
00:57:27,044 --> 00:57:28,979
>> I DO GET OBSESSED THE MINUTE

2195
00:57:28,979 --> 00:57:30,080
I GET A JOB.

2196
00:57:30,080 --> 00:57:32,983
AND MY WIFE IS WONDERFUL

2197
00:57:32,983 --> 00:57:34,084
BECAUSE SHE SAYS, "OKAY, HE'S

2198
00:57:34,084 --> 00:57:34,952
GONE.

2199
00:57:34,952 --> 00:57:37,221
HE'S AT THE RAMADA INN EVEN

2200
00:57:37,221 --> 00:57:38,188
IF HE'S UPSTAIRS.

2201
00:57:38,188 --> 00:57:39,223
HE'S--HE'S GONE."

2202
00:57:39,223 --> 00:57:41,959
BECAUSE I NEED THAT 24-HOUR

2203
00:57:41,959 --> 00:57:44,128
FOCUS ON THAT CHARACTER IN THAT

2204
00:57:44,128 --> 00:57:44,995
WORK.

2205
00:57:44,995 --> 00:57:46,030
>> I'M VERY LUCKY THAT MY WIFE

2206
00:57:46,030 --> 00:57:47,231
IS 100% BEHIND ME.

2207
00:57:47,231 --> 00:57:49,166
I'VE SPENT A LOT OF TIME AWAY

2208
00:57:49,166 --> 00:57:50,034
FROM HOME.

2209
00:57:50,034 --> 00:57:50,901
YEAH, NO.

2210
00:57:50,901 --> 00:57:52,102
MY--MY WIFE IS A MODEL.

2211
00:57:52,102 --> 00:57:53,137
>> AND MY--MY BROTHERS WERE

2212
00:57:53,137 --> 00:57:54,071
ALWAYS VERY SUPPORTIVE.

2213
00:57:54,071 --> 00:57:56,040
YOU KNOW, WHEN I'D BE BROKE AND

2214
00:57:56,040 --> 00:57:57,207
I WOULDN'T, YOU KNOW,

2215
00:57:57,207 --> 00:57:58,543
NECESSARILY EVEN ASK THEM

2216
00:57:58,543 --> 00:57:59,544
TO BORROW MONEY BUT THEY'D--

2217
00:57:59,544 --> 00:58:00,678
THERE WOULD BE CHECK IN THE

2218
00:58:00,678 --> 00:58:01,946
MAIL FOR A FEW HUNDRED BUCKS.

2219
00:58:01,946 --> 00:58:03,581
I'D BE LIKE, "OH, THANK GOD.

2220
00:58:03,581 --> 00:58:05,550
HEY, I MADE MY RENT."

2221
00:58:05,550 --> 00:58:06,283
>> IT HELPS TO HAVE A BROTHER

2222
00:58:06,283 --> 00:58:07,818
WHO'S A DENTIST, AND YOU CAN

2223
00:58:07,818 --> 00:58:09,086
CALL UP AND SAY, "CAN YOU FLOAT

2224
00:58:09,086 --> 00:58:10,855
ME A LOAN?" WHICH I ALWAYS

2225
00:58:10,855 --> 00:58:12,222
PAID BACK, BUT, I MEAN, I HAD

2226
00:58:12,222 --> 00:58:13,758
A SAFETY NET.

2227
00:58:13,758 --> 00:58:14,792
I DID.

2228
00:58:14,792 --> 00:58:15,726
>> I'D WORKED WITH THIS ONE

2229
00:58:15,726 --> 00:58:17,795
PRODUCER, AND HE USED TO TELL

2230
00:58:17,795 --> 00:58:19,063
YOUNG ACTORS, WHEN THEY WOULD

2231
00:58:19,063 --> 00:58:20,698
ASK HIM, HE WOULD SAY--AND THEY

2232
00:58:20,698 --> 00:58:21,632
WOULD SAY, "WHAT'S THE MOST

2233
00:58:21,632 --> 00:58:23,868
IMPORTANT THING FOR A YOUNG

2234
00:58:23,868 --> 00:58:24,835
ACTOR TO HAVE?"

2235
00:58:24,835 --> 00:58:25,703
AND HE WOULD SAY,

2236
00:58:25,703 --> 00:58:27,037
"RICH PARENTS."

2237
00:58:27,037 --> 00:58:29,940
>> IN MY MIND, IT'S ALWAYS ABOUT

2238
00:58:29,940 --> 00:58:30,908
KEEPING YOUR NUT LOW.

2239
00:58:30,908 --> 00:58:31,909
I MEAN, I DRIVE--I DRIVE

2240
00:58:31,909 --> 00:58:34,278
A 14-YEAR-OLD HONDA ACCORD.

2241
00:58:34,278 --> 00:58:35,212
>> YOU KNOW, MY WIFE AND I

2242
00:58:35,212 --> 00:58:36,146
LIVE LIKE HIPPIES.

2243
00:58:36,146 --> 00:58:37,682
WE HAVE NO TELEVISION.

2244
00:58:37,682 --> 00:58:40,751
WE HAVE NO DINING ROOM SET.

2245
00:58:40,751 --> 00:58:41,652
WE DON'T EAT AT A TABLE.

2246
00:58:41,652 --> 00:58:42,753
>> PEOPLE CAN USUALLY FIGURE

2247
00:58:42,753 --> 00:58:44,655
OUT THE ECONOMICS, YOU KNOW,

2248
00:58:44,655 --> 00:58:45,756
WITH WAY--YOU KNOW,

2249
00:58:45,756 --> 00:58:48,092
JOBS--TEMPORARY JOBS OR

2250
00:58:48,092 --> 00:58:49,627
SOMETHING OR BORROWING MONEY

2251
00:58:49,627 --> 00:58:50,795
OR, YOU KNOW, RUNNING UP THEIR

2252
00:58:50,795 --> 00:58:51,729
CREDIT CARDS OR SOMETHING.

2253
00:58:51,729 --> 00:58:53,798
BUT IT'S THE MENTAL THING THAT

2254
00:58:53,798 --> 00:58:54,699
TRIPS YOU UP.

2255
00:58:54,699 --> 00:58:55,833
>> SOMETIMES I DON'T DEAL WITH

2256
00:58:55,833 --> 00:58:56,767
IT VERY WELL, TO BE HONEST WITH

2257
00:58:56,767 --> 00:58:57,635
YOU.

2258
00:58:57,635 --> 00:58:58,603
>> YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHEN DRUGS

2259
00:58:58,603 --> 00:58:59,570
AND ALCOHOL WILL GET INVOLVED

2260
00:58:59,570 --> 00:59:01,005
TOO, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE

2261
00:59:01,005 --> 00:59:02,840
SELF-MEDICATE JUST TO SURVIVE

2262
00:59:02,840 --> 00:59:05,042
THE DAY-TO-DAY REJECTION.

2263
00:59:05,042 --> 00:59:09,046
>> I USED TO, EVERY NIGHT--THE

2264
00:59:09,046 --> 00:59:10,314
NIGHT WOULD BE SPENT SITTING

2265
00:59:10,314 --> 00:59:12,216
IN FRONT OF A TV AND SMOKING

2266
00:59:12,216 --> 00:59:13,317
AND HAVING A DRINK OR TWO

2267
00:59:13,317 --> 00:59:14,752
UNTIL I SOUGHT THE BED.

2268
00:59:14,752 --> 00:59:16,587
"PERHAPS I'M ABUSING," IS WHAT

2269
00:59:16,587 --> 00:59:17,287
I THOUGHT.

2270
00:59:17,287 --> 00:59:18,288
I DIDN'T REALLY KNOW, BUT I

2271
00:59:18,288 --> 00:59:19,657
THOUGHT, "IF YOU'RE SITTING AND

2272
00:59:19,657 --> 00:59:20,357
GETTING, YOU KNOW, FUCKED UP

2273
00:59:20,357 --> 00:59:22,860
EVERY NIGHT AFTER--LATE INTO

2274
00:59:22,860 --> 00:59:25,095
THE NIGHT, IS THAT HEALTHY?"

2275
00:59:25,095 --> 00:59:27,632
>> I THINK IT'S ALWAYS A MISTAKE

2276
00:59:27,632 --> 00:59:30,367
TO TRY TO FIND HAPPINESS IN

2277
00:59:30,367 --> 00:59:31,702
YOUR WORK OR TO DEFINE YOUR

2278
00:59:31,702 --> 00:59:32,803
HAPPINESS THROUGH YOUR WORK.

2279
00:59:32,803 --> 00:59:34,739
>> PLANT A GARDEN, FALL IN LOVE,

2280
00:59:34,739 --> 00:59:37,274
HAVE A PET, HAVE A HOBBY.

2281
00:59:37,274 --> 00:59:38,609
>> I TOOK UP MARTIAL ARTS WHEN

2282
00:59:38,609 --> 00:59:39,276
I WAS 40.

2283
00:59:39,276 --> 00:59:40,778
>> YOU GOTTA DO SOMETHING

2284
00:59:40,778 --> 00:59:44,181
WHERE--WHERE YOU'RE INTERESTED

2285
00:59:44,181 --> 00:59:45,816
IN IT AND YOU'RE HAVING A GOOD

2286
00:59:45,816 --> 00:59:47,384
TIME EVEN IF YOU'RE NOT HAPPY.

2287
00:59:47,384 --> 00:59:48,953
>> [whistles]

2288
00:59:48,953 --> 00:59:49,854
[indistinct chatter]

2289
00:59:49,854 --> 00:59:51,822
>> BASKETBALL'S BEEN A REAL

2290
00:59:51,822 --> 00:59:53,157
GOOD THING FOR ME.

2291
00:59:53,157 --> 00:59:55,025
YOU KNOW, IT'S THERAPY.

2292
00:59:55,025 --> 00:59:55,893
FOUR, TWO, RIGHT?

2293
00:59:55,893 --> 00:59:56,761
AND IT MADE ME THINK THAT

2294
00:59:56,761 --> 00:59:57,762
EVERYTHING WE DO ON THE

2295
00:59:57,762 --> 00:59:59,029
BASKETBALL COURT IS KIND OF

2296
00:59:59,029 --> 01:00:01,231
RELATED TO ACTING, YOU KNOW.

2297
01:00:01,231 --> 01:00:03,367
LIKE, YOU LEARN TO COMMIT

2298
01:00:03,367 --> 01:00:05,970
TO WHATEVER MOVE YOU'RE MAKING.

2299
01:00:05,970 --> 01:00:07,672
[buzzer]

2300
01:00:07,672 --> 01:00:09,173
>> I THINK THAT ONE OF THE NICE

2301
01:00:09,173 --> 01:00:10,407
THINGS ABOUT ACTING EVEN THOUGH

2302
01:00:10,407 --> 01:00:12,142
IT'S A GRIND, AND IT'S HIGHLY

2303
01:00:12,142 --> 01:00:14,779
COMPETITIVE, THAT YOU HAVE TIME

2304
01:00:14,779 --> 01:00:16,013
TO BE WITH YOUR FAMILY, AND YOU

2305
01:00:16,013 --> 01:00:19,717
HAVE TIME TO BE IN YOUR LIFE.

2306
01:00:24,154 --> 01:00:27,091
>> WE GENERALLY SKATE ONCE--ONCE

2307
01:00:27,091 --> 01:00:28,058
EVERY MONTH, I GUESS.

2308
01:00:28,092 --> 01:00:30,961
AT LEAST ONCE A MONTH.

2309
01:00:30,961 --> 01:00:32,262
I MEAN, I'D LIKE TO GET HIM

2310
01:00:32,262 --> 01:00:34,131
INVOLVED IN HOCKEY, WHICH IS--

2311
01:00:34,131 --> 01:00:35,866
>> I DON'T WANT TO DO HOCKEY.

2312
01:00:35,866 --> 01:00:36,901
>> YOU DON'T WANT TO DO THAT?

2313
01:00:36,901 --> 01:00:38,903
[indistinct chatter]

2314
01:00:38,903 --> 01:00:44,942
[gentle piano music]

2315
01:00:53,250 --> 01:00:54,952
>> I WASN'T THE YOGA GUY.

2316
01:00:54,952 --> 01:00:56,453
LONG AGO, I WAS A GYM RAT,

2317
01:00:56,453 --> 01:00:57,688
BOXING.

2318
01:00:57,688 --> 01:01:01,391
MY WIFE GOT INTO YOGA AND FOR

2319
01:01:01,391 --> 01:01:03,060
YEARS TRIED TO LURE ME IN.

2320
01:01:03,060 --> 01:01:04,261
SHE'D SAY, "OH, YOU REALLY

2321
01:01:04,261 --> 01:01:05,129
SHOULD COME TRY IT.

2322
01:01:05,129 --> 01:01:05,996
IT'S REALLY GREAT."

2323
01:01:05,996 --> 01:01:08,165
AND, "NO, LISTEN, YOU DO YOUR

2324
01:01:08,165 --> 01:01:09,166
THING, I'LL DO MINE."

2325
01:01:09,166 --> 01:01:10,334
I WAS TOTALLY RUDE ABOUT IT.

2326
01:01:10,334 --> 01:01:12,903
AND SHE FINALLY GOT ME WHEN SHE

2327
01:01:12,903 --> 01:01:14,739
SAID, "OH, DON'T WORRY, IT

2328
01:01:14,739 --> 01:01:15,472
WOULD JUST KICK YOUR ASS

2329
01:01:15,472 --> 01:01:16,340
ANYWAY."

2330
01:01:16,340 --> 01:01:18,208
AND I NEVER WENT IN THE GYM

2331
01:01:18,208 --> 01:01:19,076
AGAIN.

2332
01:01:19,076 --> 01:01:19,977
IT'S REALLY--IT LITERALLY

2333
01:01:19,977 --> 01:01:21,111
CHANGED MY LIFE, I MEAN, FROM

2334
01:01:21,111 --> 01:01:22,079
HAVING, LIKE, MULTIPLE KNEE

2335
01:01:22,079 --> 01:01:23,848
OPERATIONS, FOOT OPERATIONS,

2336
01:01:23,848 --> 01:01:25,449
THINGS THAT REALLY HAMPERED MY

2337
01:01:25,449 --> 01:01:26,951
ABILITY TO MOVE.

2338
01:01:26,951 --> 01:01:28,753
I'VE BEEN, LIKE, PAIN-FREE WITH

2339
01:01:28,753 --> 01:01:30,888
MY KNEES FOR YEARS NOW.

2340
01:01:30,888 --> 01:01:31,989
THE FOCUS IT'S GIVING ME IN

2341
01:01:31,989 --> 01:01:33,490
TERMS OF ACTING IS AMAZING.

2342
01:01:33,490 --> 01:01:35,125
IT'S MADE ME A CALMER PERSON.

2343
01:01:35,125 --> 01:01:36,927
MY WIFE WON'T AGREE, BUT IT'S

2344
01:01:36,927 --> 01:01:39,429
MADE ME A BETTER DAD, BETTER

2345
01:01:39,429 --> 01:01:41,031
HUSBAND.

2346
01:01:41,031 --> 01:01:44,168
I-I DO YOGA EVERY DAY.

2347
01:01:44,168 --> 01:01:45,335
[gong hits]

2348
01:01:45,335 --> 01:01:46,203
SOMEONE TOLD ME ONCE THAT

2349
01:01:46,203 --> 01:01:48,272
YOGA IS NATURAL VIAGRA.

2350
01:01:48,272 --> 01:01:50,474
GUYS.

2351
01:01:50,474 --> 01:01:56,713
[upbeat music]

2352
01:02:05,089 --> 01:02:07,191
>> SO, IAN, LIKE I WAS TELLING

2353
01:02:07,191 --> 01:02:11,061
YOU, IN THIS LINE OF WORK,

2354
01:02:11,061 --> 01:02:15,833
YOU NEED HOBBIES BECAUSE IF

2355
01:02:15,833 --> 01:02:17,868
YOU'RE SITTING AROUND, WAITING

2356
01:02:17,868 --> 01:02:21,171
FOR A JOB, YOU'LL GO INSANE.

2357
01:02:21,171 --> 01:02:24,775
I'M LUCKY ENOUGH THAT I WORK ON

2358
01:02:24,775 --> 01:02:27,311
A SHOW THAT BRINGS ME TO THE

2359
01:02:27,311 --> 01:02:29,213
BEAUTIFUL NORTHWEST, EXCEPT I'M

2360
01:02:29,213 --> 01:02:33,217
IN CANADA, B.C., SO THAT'S THE--

2361
01:02:33,217 --> 01:02:34,084
WHAT IS THAT?

2362
01:02:34,084 --> 01:02:35,085
THAT'D BE THE SOUTHWEST.

2363
01:02:35,085 --> 01:02:37,154
TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF BEING

2364
01:02:37,154 --> 01:02:38,856
ON A BEAUTIFUL LOCATION AND DO

2365
01:02:38,856 --> 01:02:41,058
SOMETHING REALLY COOL LIKE

2366
01:02:41,058 --> 01:02:42,927
FLY-FISHING EVEN THOUGH I'M NOT

2367
01:02:42,927 --> 01:02:43,794
VERY GOOD AT IT.

2368
01:02:43,794 --> 01:02:45,830
PROPS, PROPS.

2369
01:02:45,830 --> 01:02:46,530
>> PROPS, CAN WE GET A FISH

2370
01:02:46,530 --> 01:02:47,397
PLEASE?

2371
01:02:47,397 --> 01:02:48,265
>> I LIKE TO READ.

2372
01:02:48,265 --> 01:02:49,233
I PLAY A LOT OF MUSICAL

2373
01:02:49,233 --> 01:02:50,100
INSTRUMENTS.

2374
01:02:50,100 --> 01:02:51,268
[singing] FROM BLUE TO GRAY

2375
01:02:51,268 --> 01:02:52,903
TO GREEN.

2376
01:02:52,903 --> 01:02:59,910
THE PRETTIEST EYES I'VE SEEN.

2377
01:02:59,910 --> 01:03:01,211
>> ANYTIME YOU'RE OUT OF WORK,

2378
01:03:01,211 --> 01:03:03,580
YOU'RE NOT SURE HOW LONG THAT

2379
01:03:03,580 --> 01:03:05,049
PERIOD WILL BE.

2380
01:03:05,049 --> 01:03:05,983
>> WELL, I KNOW ACTORS WHO

2381
01:03:05,983 --> 01:03:07,117
DON'T WORK FOR THREE YEARS

2382
01:03:07,117 --> 01:03:09,486
A STINT, OR TWO YEARS.

2383
01:03:09,486 --> 01:03:11,188
>> I DIDN'T GET ANY AUDITIONS

2384
01:03:11,188 --> 01:03:13,223
FOR ABOUT SIX MONTHS,

2385
01:03:13,223 --> 01:03:16,226
AND I WAS ON UNEMPLOYMENT.

2386
01:03:16,226 --> 01:03:18,128
I HAD A HOUSE, A BRAND-NEW

2387
01:03:18,128 --> 01:03:19,296
BABY GIRL.

2388
01:03:19,296 --> 01:03:20,564
SHE WAS ONLY, LIKE, SIX OR NINE

2389
01:03:20,564 --> 01:03:21,498
MONTHS OLD, AND I TOTALLY

2390
01:03:21,498 --> 01:03:22,833
FLIPPED OUT AT THAT POINT.

2391
01:03:22,833 --> 01:03:25,836
HOW MANY PEOPLE IN THE COUNTRY

2392
01:03:25,836 --> 01:03:26,971
HAVE A BUDGET WHERE THEY DON'T

2393
01:03:26,971 --> 01:03:28,472
HAVE TO WORK FOR SIX MONTHS?

2394
01:03:28,472 --> 01:03:29,573
>> I'M PRETTY GOOD WITH THE

2395
01:03:29,573 --> 01:03:31,041
DOUGH BECAUSE WHEN I GET IT,

2396
01:03:31,041 --> 01:03:32,542
I KEEP IT, AND I KNOW IT COULD

2397
01:03:32,542 --> 01:03:33,844
BE A DRY SPELL FOR A LONG

2398
01:03:33,844 --> 01:03:34,511
PERIOD OF TIME.

2399
01:03:34,511 --> 01:03:35,846
>> I HAD FRIENDS WHO WERE ON

2400
01:03:35,846 --> 01:03:39,316
SHOWS, WHO WERE REGULARS ON

2401
01:03:39,316 --> 01:03:41,085
SHOWS MAKING IT, TO ME, A GREAT

2402
01:03:41,085 --> 01:03:42,887
PAYCHECK, AND THEY JUST PISSED

2403
01:03:42,887 --> 01:03:43,553
IT ALL AWAY.

2404
01:03:43,553 --> 01:03:46,423
>> I WAS ALWAYS CHEAP, SO

2405
01:03:46,423 --> 01:03:47,291
I SAVED MY MONEY.

2406
01:03:47,291 --> 01:03:48,425
>> BECAUSE YOU KNOW, IT IS A

2407
01:03:48,425 --> 01:03:49,593
ROLLER COASTER RIDE, AND IT

2408
01:03:49,593 --> 01:03:51,528
PLUMMETS AS HIGH AS IT CLIMBS

2409
01:03:51,528 --> 01:03:52,396
SOMETIMES.

2410
01:03:52,396 --> 01:03:55,966
AND ESPECIALLY, AS A CHARACTER

2411
01:03:55,966 --> 01:03:59,536
ACTOR, YOU REALLY, YOU KNOW,

2412
01:03:59,536 --> 01:04:01,538
THE SHIP DOESN'T ALWAYS COME IN

2413
01:04:01,538 --> 01:04:02,907
TO HOLD YOU ABOVE WATER FOR--

2414
01:04:02,907 --> 01:04:05,075
FOR MORE THAN A FEW WEEKS.

2415
01:04:05,075 --> 01:04:06,276
>> I DID HAVE A ROUGH PATCH

2416
01:04:06,276 --> 01:04:10,047
ABOUT, I'LL BE GUESSING NOW,

2417
01:04:10,047 --> 01:04:11,448
BUT PROBABLY ABOUT FOUR OR FIVE

2418
01:04:11,448 --> 01:04:14,551
YEARS IN, I DIDN'T WORK FOR

2419
01:04:14,551 --> 01:04:15,585
A YEAR.

2420
01:04:15,585 --> 01:04:20,657
THAT WAS SOBERING BUT NOT--IT

2421
01:04:20,657 --> 01:04:21,591
DIDN'T DERAIL ME.

2422
01:04:21,591 --> 01:04:23,093
IT DIDN'T--IT DIDN'T MAKE ME

2423
01:04:23,093 --> 01:04:25,462
HAVE TO WONDER, "OH, MY GOD,

2424
01:04:25,462 --> 01:04:27,197
WHAT HAPPENS WHEN EVERYTHING

2425
01:04:27,197 --> 01:04:28,899
COMES TO A GRINDING HALT?"

2426
01:04:28,899 --> 01:04:32,069
>> RIGHT AFTER 9/11, THAT WAS

2427
01:04:32,069 --> 01:04:34,238
ONE OF THE HARDEST TIMES FOR ME.

2428
01:04:34,238 --> 01:04:37,942
AND, UH, I JUST WASN'T GETTING

2429
01:04:37,942 --> 01:04:39,009
OFFERED ANY WORK.

2430
01:04:39,009 --> 01:04:40,244
NOT ONLY THAT, I WASN'T

2431
01:04:40,244 --> 01:04:41,378
AUDITIONING A LOT.

2432
01:04:41,378 --> 01:04:43,948
THE PAIN OF THAT STARTED REALLY

2433
01:04:43,948 --> 01:04:45,015
TAKING ITS TOLL ON ME.

2434
01:04:45,015 --> 01:04:47,217
AND I FELL INTO JUST THE--

2435
01:04:47,217 --> 01:04:48,318
I DON'T KNOW HOW ELSE TO SAY IT,

2436
01:04:48,318 --> 01:04:49,619
I FELL INTO THE ABYSS.

2437
01:04:49,619 --> 01:04:51,021
I COULDN'T SLEEP.

2438
01:04:51,021 --> 01:04:53,357
I WAS SMOKING LIKE A CHIMNEY.

2439
01:04:53,357 --> 01:04:54,925
I WAS JUST DRINKING A LOT.

2440
01:04:54,925 --> 01:04:56,360
I WAS DEPRESSED.

2441
01:04:56,360 --> 01:04:58,295
I NOTICED THE BILLS STACKING UP.

2442
01:04:58,295 --> 01:05:01,698
I WASN'T ABLE TO--TO TAKE CARE

2443
01:05:01,698 --> 01:05:02,599
OF THEM FOR THE FIRST TIME

2444
01:05:02,599 --> 01:05:03,467
REALLY.

2445
01:05:03,467 --> 01:05:05,435
AND I STARTED GETTING SCARED,

2446
01:05:05,435 --> 01:05:07,704
YOU KNOW, AND I HAD A CAR NOTE,

2447
01:05:07,704 --> 01:05:08,638
YOU KNOW, I HAD AN APARTMENT,

2448
01:05:08,638 --> 01:05:09,974
I HAD THIS, I HAD THAT.

2449
01:05:09,974 --> 01:05:12,709
I SAID, "WELL, WHAT AM I GOING

2450
01:05:12,709 --> 01:05:13,577
TO DO?"

2451
01:05:13,577 --> 01:05:15,079
SO I SAID, "WELL, FIRST THING

2452
01:05:15,079 --> 01:05:16,113
I'LL DO IS MAYBE SELL

2453
01:05:16,113 --> 01:05:17,214
EVERYTHING THAT I HAVE."

2454
01:05:17,214 --> 01:05:18,949
AND OR, YOU KNOW, JUST--I NEED

2455
01:05:18,949 --> 01:05:19,984
TO GET ALL THIS OUT OF HERE--

2456
01:05:19,984 --> 01:05:24,688
FURNITURE THAT I HAVE, AND SO

2457
01:05:24,688 --> 01:05:25,655
I DID THAT.

2458
01:05:25,655 --> 01:05:26,556
I SOLD WHAT I COULD SELL OR

2459
01:05:26,556 --> 01:05:28,225
WHAT PEOPLE--AND I DIDN'T REALLY

2460
01:05:28,225 --> 01:05:29,293
GET ANYTHING FOR IT, NOT AS--NOT

2461
01:05:29,293 --> 01:05:30,494
AS MUCH AS I WANTED.

2462
01:05:30,494 --> 01:05:33,130
I HAD THIS BIG, HUGE TV THAT WAS

2463
01:05:33,130 --> 01:05:34,564
SITTING IN--IN FACT, IN MY

2464
01:05:34,564 --> 01:05:35,599
LIVING ROOM.

2465
01:05:35,599 --> 01:05:38,002
AND I SAID--I SAID, "WELL,

2466
01:05:38,002 --> 01:05:39,369
I THINK I'M GOING TO SELL IT,

2467
01:05:39,369 --> 01:05:40,270
BUT YOU KNOW WHAT?

2468
01:05:40,270 --> 01:05:41,371
INSTEAD OF SELLING IT, I THINK

2469
01:05:41,371 --> 01:05:45,142
I'M GOING TO--I'M GOING TO--I'M

2470
01:05:45,142 --> 01:05:46,010
GOING TO DESTROY IT."

2471
01:05:46,010 --> 01:05:47,644
[laughs] BELIEVE IT OR NOT.

2472
01:05:47,644 --> 01:05:50,314
I WENT, GOT OUT MY TOOLBOX AND

2473
01:05:50,314 --> 01:05:51,381
A HAMMER AND A COUPLE OF OTHER

2474
01:05:51,381 --> 01:05:56,620
THINGS, AND I BEGAN, LIKE,

2475
01:05:56,620 --> 01:05:57,487
DESTROYING IT.

2476
01:05:57,487 --> 01:05:58,388
I JUST WENT UP TO IT AND JUST

2477
01:05:58,388 --> 01:05:59,323
STARTED BEATING THE SHIT OUT OF

2478
01:05:59,323 --> 01:06:00,190
IT.

2479
01:06:00,190 --> 01:06:01,558
AND I DESTROYED--GLASS

2480
01:06:01,558 --> 01:06:02,759
EVERYWHERE AND EVERYTHING AND

2481
01:06:02,759 --> 01:06:03,760
ALL ACROSS THE LIVING ROOM

2482
01:06:03,760 --> 01:06:04,728
FLOOR, AND, LIKE, I KILLED MY

2483
01:06:04,728 --> 01:06:05,595
TV.

2484
01:06:05,595 --> 01:06:07,764
I THINK I WAS REALLY KILLING--

2485
01:06:07,764 --> 01:06:09,033
AND THIS SOUNDS KIND OF MAYBE

2486
01:06:09,033 --> 01:06:10,200
BIZARRE, I WAS--IT WAS JUST

2487
01:06:10,200 --> 01:06:12,202
SYMBOLIC TO ME OF EVERYTHING

2488
01:06:12,202 --> 01:06:13,403
I HAD ACHIEVED.

2489
01:06:13,403 --> 01:06:15,072
BUT IT WAS--IT WAS BETRAYING ME

2490
01:06:15,072 --> 01:06:15,739
AT THE TIME.

2491
01:06:15,739 --> 01:06:18,475
I WRAPPED IT UP IN THIS BLANKET,

2492
01:06:18,475 --> 01:06:19,376
AND I DRAGGED IT.

2493
01:06:19,376 --> 01:06:20,310
IT WAS HEAVY, SO I DRAGGED IT

2494
01:06:20,310 --> 01:06:21,478
DOWN TO THE GARBAGE BIN

2495
01:06:21,478 --> 01:06:23,180
DOWNSTAIRS, AND I DUMPED IT.

2496
01:06:23,180 --> 01:06:24,081
SO I SAID, "ALL RIGHT,

2497
01:06:24,081 --> 01:06:25,749
GOT RID OF THAT."

2498
01:06:25,749 --> 01:06:28,352
AND THE LAST THING THAT WAS

2499
01:06:28,352 --> 01:06:29,319
REALLY LEFT WAS MY CAR,

2500
01:06:29,319 --> 01:06:30,387
YOU KNOW.

2501
01:06:30,387 --> 01:06:32,789
AND I KEPT GETTING PHONE CALLS

2502
01:06:32,789 --> 01:06:36,760
FROM THE AUTO FINANCE COMPANY

2503
01:06:36,760 --> 01:06:38,228
BECAUSE I WAS LATE ON MY CAR.

2504
01:06:38,228 --> 01:06:40,064
I ENDED UP TURNING MY CAR IN.

2505
01:06:40,064 --> 01:06:44,301
AND THERE I WAS AGAIN, RIGHT

2506
01:06:44,301 --> 01:06:46,670
WHERE I WAS FROM THE BEGINNING,

2507
01:06:46,670 --> 01:06:48,772
BACK ON THE BUS.

2508
01:06:48,772 --> 01:06:50,774
I DIDN'T DECIDE TO--TO, YOU

2509
01:06:50,774 --> 01:06:52,576
KNOW, KILL MYSELF OR ANYTHING.

2510
01:06:52,576 --> 01:06:54,078
I DIDN'T DECIDE TO KIND OF DO

2511
01:06:54,078 --> 01:06:56,080
AWAY WITH IT ALL, BUT I SAID,

2512
01:06:56,080 --> 01:06:58,748
"WELL"--I THINK I THOUGHT ABOUT

2513
01:06:58,748 --> 01:06:59,616
IT THOUGH.

2514
01:06:59,616 --> 01:07:00,550
YOU KNOW, I THOUGHT ABOUT KIND

2515
01:07:00,550 --> 01:07:01,585
OF JUST, "WELL, MAYBE IT'S

2516
01:07:01,585 --> 01:07:02,552
TIME FOR ME CHECK OUT."

2517
01:07:02,552 --> 01:07:04,154
I REMEMBER I WAS ON THE MELROSE

2518
01:07:04,154 --> 01:07:05,422
BUS, AND I GOT OFF--I REMEMBER

2519
01:07:05,422 --> 01:07:08,092
I GOT OFF AND CALLED DONNA,

2520
01:07:08,092 --> 01:07:10,560
AND I JUST BROKE DOWN.

2521
01:07:10,560 --> 01:07:13,463
I WAS--I LOST IT, YOU KNOW.

2522
01:07:13,463 --> 01:07:14,598
AND I WASN'T MAD AT HER,

2523
01:07:14,598 --> 01:07:17,801
I WAS JUST MAD, AND YOU KNOW,

2524
01:07:17,801 --> 01:07:20,537
I JUST SAID TO HER, YOU KNOW,

2525
01:07:20,537 --> 01:07:21,538
"I'M BACK ON THE BUS AGAIN,

2526
01:07:21,538 --> 01:07:22,506
YOU KNOW, THIS WASN'T SUPPOSED

2527
01:07:22,506 --> 01:07:25,109
TO BE LIKE THIS," YOU KNOW.

2528
01:07:25,109 --> 01:07:27,477
AND SHE SAID, "LOOK, LET ME CALL

2529
01:07:27,477 --> 01:07:28,578
SOMEBODY, YOU KNOW.

2530
01:07:28,578 --> 01:07:29,846
I KNOW SOMEONE AT

2531
01:07:29,846 --> 01:07:31,715
'GENERAL HOSPITAL.'"

2532
01:07:31,715 --> 01:07:33,550
JUST CAME AT THE RIGHT TIME.

2533
01:07:33,550 --> 01:07:37,687
IT CAME AT THE RIGHT TIME.

2534
01:07:37,687 --> 01:07:38,788
SO I RODE MY BIKE OVER TO THE--

2535
01:07:38,788 --> 01:07:40,224
TO "GENERAL HOSPITAL" SET.

2536
01:07:40,224 --> 01:07:41,325
WHEN YOU RIDE A BIKE TO A

2537
01:07:41,325 --> 01:07:42,726
STUDIO, THE SECURITY GUARDS

2538
01:07:42,726 --> 01:07:44,328
LOOK AT YOU LIKE--LIKE YOU'RE

2539
01:07:44,328 --> 01:07:45,195
CRAZY.

2540
01:07:45,195 --> 01:07:46,430
"ARE YOU DELIVERING SOMETHING,

2541
01:07:46,430 --> 01:07:47,597
OR ARE YOU ON A WRONG--DO YOU

2542
01:07:47,597 --> 01:07:48,798
NEED--ARE YOU LOST?"

2543
01:07:48,798 --> 01:07:50,300
"NO, I'M HERE TO GO TO WORK."

2544
01:07:50,300 --> 01:07:51,801
"YOU'RE--FOR WHAT SHOW?"

2545
01:07:51,801 --> 01:07:53,437
"'GENERAL HOSPITAL.'"

2546
01:07:53,437 --> 01:07:54,471
"YOU'RE--YOU'RE ON THE SHOW?"

2547
01:07:54,471 --> 01:07:55,505
"YEAH, I'M ON THE SHOW."

2548
01:07:55,505 --> 01:07:58,342
"OKAY, YOU CAN LOCK YOUR BIKE

2549
01:07:58,342 --> 01:07:59,376
OVER THERE BY THE COKE MACHINE,"

2550
01:07:59,376 --> 01:08:00,244
YOU KNOW.

2551
01:08:00,244 --> 01:08:01,545
I HOPE--I HOPE IT DOESN'T HAPPEN

2552
01:08:01,545 --> 01:08:04,548
AGAIN, BUT IF IT DOES, I THINK

2553
01:08:04,548 --> 01:08:07,817
I'M BETTER PREPARED TO DEAL

2554
01:08:07,817 --> 01:08:09,853
WITH IT, YOU KNOW, THAN BEFORE.

2555
01:08:09,853 --> 01:08:10,820
>> THERE ARE MORE AND MORE

2556
01:08:10,820 --> 01:08:11,821
ACTORS OUT OF WORK NOT BE--NOT

2557
01:08:11,821 --> 01:08:14,291
NECESSARILY BECAUSE THERE ARE

2558
01:08:14,291 --> 01:08:15,859
MORE ACTORS, ALTHOUGH I SUSPECT

2559
01:08:15,859 --> 01:08:16,726
THERE ARE.

2560
01:08:16,726 --> 01:08:18,395
BUT IT'S THE CONSOLIDATION

2561
01:08:18,395 --> 01:08:19,263
OF A BUSINESS.

2562
01:08:19,263 --> 01:08:20,697
THERE ARE JUST FEWER FILMS

2563
01:08:20,697 --> 01:08:22,199
BEING MADE.

2564
01:08:22,199 --> 01:08:23,667
THERE'S MUCH MORE REALITY

2565
01:08:23,667 --> 01:08:24,701
TELEVISION.

2566
01:08:24,701 --> 01:08:26,803
AND THE PAY GOES DOWN BECAUSE

2567
01:08:26,803 --> 01:08:28,205
THEY KEEP PAYING LESS, AND THEY

2568
01:08:28,205 --> 01:08:31,341
SAY, "HEY, THEY STILL SHOW UP.

2569
01:08:31,341 --> 01:08:33,143
WE PAY THEM LESS, AND THEY STILL

2570
01:08:33,143 --> 01:08:33,810
SHOW UP."

2571
01:08:33,810 --> 01:08:35,245
>> IT IS VERY, VERY DIFFICULT

2572
01:08:35,245 --> 01:08:36,446
FOR A CHARACTER ACTOR TO MAKE

2573
01:08:36,446 --> 01:08:37,714
A LIVING DOING FILM NOW WHEN

2574
01:08:37,714 --> 01:08:38,915
YOU'RE PAID SCALE TEN.

2575
01:08:38,915 --> 01:08:39,783
SO YOU GOT TO--YOU GOT TO

2576
01:08:39,783 --> 01:08:42,552
SUPPORT A KID AND MAYBE A WIFE,

2577
01:08:42,552 --> 01:08:43,620
AND YOU'RE BEING PAID, I DON'T

2578
01:08:43,620 --> 01:08:44,554
KNOW, WHATEVER.

2579
01:08:44,554 --> 01:08:45,589
2,750.

2580
01:08:45,589 --> 01:08:47,791
YOU KNOW, 2,750 BUCKS A WEEK,

2581
01:08:47,791 --> 01:08:48,658
COME ON.

2582
01:08:48,658 --> 01:08:49,859
WHEN YOU WERE PAID 20 YEARS

2583
01:08:49,859 --> 01:08:50,860
AGO, IT WAS, LIKE, 10,000 BUCKS

2584
01:08:50,860 --> 01:08:51,728
A WEEK.

2585
01:08:51,728 --> 01:08:52,596
WHAT'S GOING ON?

2586
01:08:52,596 --> 01:08:53,763
>> WHEN I FIRST CAME HERE, I

2587
01:08:53,763 --> 01:08:55,232
WENT OFF TO DO A TV MOVIE,

2588
01:08:55,232 --> 01:08:56,300
I WAS MAKING 40 GRAND A WEEK.

2589
01:08:56,300 --> 01:08:57,234
NOW YOU'RE LUCKY TO GET

2590
01:08:57,234 --> 01:08:58,568
$6,000, $7,000.

2591
01:08:58,568 --> 01:08:59,603
>> AND THEY DON'T GIVE A FUCK

2592
01:08:59,603 --> 01:09:00,537
WHO YOU ARE OR WHAT YOU'VE

2593
01:09:00,537 --> 01:09:01,838
DONE BECAUSE THEY'RE LIKE,

2594
01:09:01,838 --> 01:09:02,872
"THERE'S SOMEBODY ELSE."

2595
01:09:02,872 --> 01:09:04,174
YOU KNOW, IT'S THAT WHOLE THING,

2596
01:09:04,174 --> 01:09:05,742
THERE'S 10,000 GUYS BEHIND YOU

2597
01:09:05,742 --> 01:09:06,676
THAT WILL TAKE THE JOB.

2598
01:09:06,676 --> 01:09:08,445
AND SOMETIMES YOU HAVE TO JUST

2599
01:09:08,445 --> 01:09:10,380
GO, "ALL RIGHT, GO FUCK

2600
01:09:10,380 --> 01:09:11,248
YOURSELF THEN.

2601
01:09:11,248 --> 01:09:12,382
NO, THANK YOU."

2602
01:09:12,382 --> 01:09:13,617
>> ONE OF MY CLIENTS WAS--WAS

2603
01:09:13,617 --> 01:09:18,355
OFFERED A JOB FOR AN EPISODIC

2604
01:09:18,355 --> 01:09:19,723
TELEVISION SHOW, MAJOR NETWORK.

2605
01:09:19,723 --> 01:09:22,226
HE FOUND OUT AFTER HE BOOKED

2606
01:09:22,226 --> 01:09:23,360
THE JOB THAT THEY ONLY WANTED

2607
01:09:23,360 --> 01:09:24,761
HIM FOR A DAY, THAT THEY WOULD

2608
01:09:24,761 --> 01:09:25,962
NEED HIM TWO DAYS EARLY FOR

2609
01:09:25,962 --> 01:09:28,332
PROSTHETIC WORK BECAUSE HE'S

2610
01:09:28,332 --> 01:09:29,233
SHOT AND KILLED.

2611
01:09:29,233 --> 01:09:33,503
UM, AND IT INCLUDED A WEEKEND.

2612
01:09:33,503 --> 01:09:34,404
SO HE WOULD BE GETTING PAID

2613
01:09:34,404 --> 01:09:36,640
$3,000 BEFORE COMMISSIONS,

2614
01:09:36,640 --> 01:09:39,409
BEFORE TAXES TO WORK FOR FIVE

2615
01:09:39,409 --> 01:09:42,912
DAYS, AND WHEN THEY SAID THAT

2616
01:09:42,912 --> 01:09:43,913
HE ALSO WOULDN'T GET A SINGLE

2617
01:09:43,913 --> 01:09:45,249
CARD BILLING, WHICH IS SOMETHING

2618
01:09:45,249 --> 01:09:45,949
THAT'S PRETTY IMPORTANT,

2619
01:09:45,949 --> 01:09:46,916
ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU'RE NOT

2620
01:09:46,916 --> 01:09:48,752
GETTING PAID WELL, HE HELD OUT,

2621
01:09:48,752 --> 01:09:50,554
AND THEY RECAST THE ROLE.

2622
01:09:50,554 --> 01:09:52,256
>> BUT THERE'S JUST SOMETHING

2623
01:09:52,256 --> 01:09:57,594
SOBERING ABOUT SEEING HOW MUCH

2624
01:09:57,594 --> 01:09:58,495
THIS PRESENT BUSINESS

2625
01:09:58,495 --> 01:10:00,464
DOES NOT ACTUALLY NEED YOU.

2626
01:10:00,464 --> 01:10:03,933
IT JUST NEEDS TO FILL THE SLOT.

2627
01:10:03,933 --> 01:10:07,571
AND THE SLOT IS EMINENTLY

2628
01:10:07,571 --> 01:10:09,306
FILL-ABLE WITH 4 MILLION PEOPLE

2629
01:10:09,306 --> 01:10:10,707
IN LINE RIGHT BEHIND YOU.

2630
01:10:10,740 --> 01:10:11,941
>> THE ONE-DAY GUEST STAR,

2631
01:10:11,941 --> 01:10:14,344
THEY TAKE ALL YOUR SCENES,

2632
01:10:14,344 --> 01:10:15,812
SHOOT THEM IN ONE LOCATION,

2633
01:10:15,812 --> 01:10:17,247
SO THEY ONLY HAVE TO WORK YOU

2634
01:10:17,247 --> 01:10:19,549
FOR A DAY, A 15-HOUR DAY,

2635
01:10:19,549 --> 01:10:21,017
BUT IT'S A DAY, AND THEY'LL GO,

2636
01:10:21,017 --> 01:10:22,552
"WELL, HERE'S $1,500."

2637
01:10:22,586 --> 01:10:23,953
>> I MEAN, A LOT PEOPLE THINK

2638
01:10:23,953 --> 01:10:25,589
THAT WE ALL MAKE A TON OF MONEY,

2639
01:10:25,589 --> 01:10:27,257
THAT WE ALL MAKE A LOAD OF

2640
01:10:27,257 --> 01:10:27,924
MONEY.

2641
01:10:27,924 --> 01:10:28,958
"OH, YOU'RE RICH."

2642
01:10:28,958 --> 01:10:30,394
>> AND, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE--

2643
01:10:30,394 --> 01:10:31,661
IF YOU'RE A GUEST-STARRING

2644
01:10:31,661 --> 01:10:36,700
ACTOR, YOU--I FELT THAT I WAS,

2645
01:10:36,700 --> 01:10:37,801
YOU KNOW, I THINK YOU'RE MORE

2646
01:10:37,801 --> 01:10:39,803
THAN FORTUNATE IF YOU GET ONE

2647
01:10:39,803 --> 01:10:42,005
JOB A MONTH BECAUSE IT TAKES

2648
01:10:42,005 --> 01:10:43,440
TWO WEEKS TO SHOOT AN EPISODE,

2649
01:10:43,440 --> 01:10:44,641
MORE OR LESS, SO IT'S LIKE, TO

2650
01:10:44,641 --> 01:10:47,711
GET ONE JOB A MONTH IS--

2651
01:10:47,711 --> 01:10:49,546
IT'S GREAT.

2652
01:10:49,546 --> 01:10:50,447
YOU CAN'T LIVE ON ONE JOB

2653
01:10:50,447 --> 01:10:51,348
A MONTH.

2654
01:10:51,348 --> 01:10:52,416
>> WHEN THE MONEY COMES, IT

2655
01:10:52,416 --> 01:10:53,517
COMES, BUT IT DOESN'T--YOU

2656
01:10:53,517 --> 01:10:56,920
KNOW, I SUPPOSE TO YOUR AVERAGE

2657
01:10:56,920 --> 01:10:58,922
AMERICAN, IT LOOKS LIKE A LOT

2658
01:10:58,922 --> 01:11:00,424
BECAUSE ON PAPER IT IS.

2659
01:11:00,424 --> 01:11:01,691
BUT IF YOU GET A BIG CHUNK HERE

2660
01:11:01,691 --> 01:11:02,559
AND THEN YOU GO TWO MONTHS

2661
01:11:02,559 --> 01:11:03,493
WITHOUT, AND THEN YOU GET A BIG

2662
01:11:03,493 --> 01:11:04,361
CHUNK HERE--

2663
01:11:04,361 --> 01:11:07,997
>> MANY ACTORS HAVE MANY PEOPLE

2664
01:11:07,997 --> 01:11:09,799
INVOLVED IN THEIR CAREERS.

2665
01:11:09,833 --> 01:11:11,501
SO WHEN SOMEONE GETS A

2666
01:11:11,501 --> 01:11:13,403
PAYCHECK, WE ARE ALLOWED TO

2667
01:11:13,403 --> 01:11:14,471
COLLECT 10%.

2668
01:11:14,471 --> 01:11:16,072
OFTEN, THEY HAVE A MANAGER WHO

2669
01:11:16,072 --> 01:11:18,007
CAN COLLECT 10% TO 15%.

2670
01:11:18,007 --> 01:11:20,410
THEY MIGHT HAVE AN ATTORNEY

2671
01:11:20,410 --> 01:11:21,745
INVOLVED AS WELL.

2672
01:11:21,745 --> 01:11:23,613
NORMALLY THEY TAKE 5%.

2673
01:11:23,613 --> 01:11:25,749
SO WE'RE TALKING MAYBE 25%

2674
01:11:25,749 --> 01:11:28,051
TAKEN OFF THE TOP MINUS WHATEVER

2675
01:11:28,051 --> 01:11:29,886
TAXES YOU'RE PAYING TO THE

2676
01:11:29,886 --> 01:11:31,521
GOVERNMENT AND PERHAPS

2677
01:11:31,521 --> 01:11:33,890
A PUBLICIST, WHO ALSO TAKES

2678
01:11:33,890 --> 01:11:35,091
A SET FEE PER MONTH.

2679
01:11:35,091 --> 01:11:36,726
I USED TO SEE SOME CHECKS

2680
01:11:36,726 --> 01:11:38,828
COMING IN FOR CLIENTS THAT

2681
01:11:38,828 --> 01:11:40,997
THEY MAYBE SAW 1/4 OF WHAT THAT

2682
01:11:40,997 --> 01:11:41,865
CHECK WAS.

2683
01:11:41,898 --> 01:11:43,032
>> YOU DON'T GO INTO ACTING

2684
01:11:43,032 --> 01:11:44,434
FOR FINANCIAL SECURITY.

2685
01:11:44,434 --> 01:11:46,102
YOU GO INTO IT BECAUSE YOU

2686
01:11:46,102 --> 01:11:47,871
ENJOY IT.

2687
01:11:47,871 --> 01:11:50,707
>> FOR ME, REALLY DEEPLY

2688
01:11:50,707 --> 01:11:51,808
FULFILLING TO GET TO DO WHAT

2689
01:11:51,808 --> 01:11:53,543
YOU LOVE TO DO AND GET PAID

2690
01:11:53,543 --> 01:11:54,544
FOR IT.

2691
01:11:54,578 --> 01:11:55,579
>> BUT WHEN YOU'RE MAKING MONEY,

2692
01:11:55,579 --> 01:11:58,047
AND THE GODS OF THESPIS AND

2693
01:11:58,047 --> 01:11:59,583
THE WORLD AND ECONOMY ARE

2694
01:11:59,583 --> 01:12:01,685
SMILING ON YOU, YOU THINK,

2695
01:12:01,685 --> 01:12:03,019
"I'VE ARRIVED."

2696
01:12:03,052 --> 01:12:04,588
>> YOU GET A TV SERIES,

2697
01:12:04,588 --> 01:12:05,489
AND IT'S LIKE, YOU KNOW,

2698
01:12:05,489 --> 01:12:07,757
YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE BACKING UP

2699
01:12:07,757 --> 01:12:08,625
INTO AN ATM.

2700
01:12:08,625 --> 01:12:09,493
IT'S TERRIFIC.

2701
01:12:09,493 --> 01:12:11,561
>> MOST OF US HAVE NEVER MADE

2702
01:12:11,561 --> 01:12:12,562
THAT KIND OF MONEY BEFORE.

2703
01:12:12,562 --> 01:12:13,530
I NEVER MADE THAT KIND OF MONEY

2704
01:12:13,530 --> 01:12:14,798
BEFORE I GOT ON "PRISON BREAK."

2705
01:12:14,798 --> 01:12:16,065
AND I DIDN'T EVEN MAKE A LOT

2706
01:12:16,065 --> 01:12:16,933
OF MONEY ON "PRISON BREAK"

2707
01:12:16,933 --> 01:12:17,801
COMPARATIVELY.

2708
01:12:17,834 --> 01:12:18,668
>> I'D BEEN OUT HERE.

2709
01:12:18,668 --> 01:12:20,770
I WAS 15 GRAND INTO A CREDIT

2710
01:12:20,770 --> 01:12:21,805
CARD IN DEBT, JUST PAYING

2711
01:12:21,805 --> 01:12:24,674
GROCERIES AND RENT AND STUFF.

2712
01:12:24,674 --> 01:12:25,775
I DID A MOVIE, "IN THE COMPANY

2713
01:12:25,775 --> 01:12:26,743
OF MEN," WHERE I WENT TO

2714
01:12:26,743 --> 01:12:29,879
INDIANA AND SHOT IT IN 11 DAYS

2715
01:12:29,879 --> 01:12:31,715
FOR $24,000.

2716
01:12:31,748 --> 01:12:32,682
WE LITERALLY RAN OUT OF FILM.

2717
01:12:32,682 --> 01:12:33,983
I BORROWED MONEY FROM MY

2718
01:12:33,983 --> 01:12:34,918
BROTHER, SO I'M AN EXECUTIVE

2719
01:12:34,918 --> 01:12:35,919
PRODUCER ON THAT.

2720
01:12:35,919 --> 01:12:37,387
AND I WENT FROM REALLY NOT

2721
01:12:37,387 --> 01:12:38,955
BEING ABLE TO GET IN ON PILOTS,

2722
01:12:38,955 --> 01:12:41,525
YOU KNOW, OR AUDITIONS TO,

2723
01:12:41,525 --> 01:12:42,726
"OH, THE GUY FROM THAT."

2724
01:12:42,726 --> 01:12:43,860
>> A FRIEND OF MINE HAS A

2725
01:12:43,860 --> 01:12:44,961
FURNITURE MOVING COMPANY,

2726
01:12:44,961 --> 01:12:46,930
HE'S LIKE, "FUCK, I'LL GIVE YOU

2727
01:12:46,930 --> 01:12:47,831
70 BUCKS A DAY OR SOMETHING

2728
01:12:47,831 --> 01:12:48,698
LIKE THAT."

2729
01:12:48,698 --> 01:12:50,033
I WAS LIKE, "ALL RIGHT."

2730
01:12:50,033 --> 01:12:52,536
I WOULD SCHLEP FURNITURE INTO

2731
01:12:52,536 --> 01:12:53,437
RICH PEOPLE'S HOUSES.

2732
01:12:53,470 --> 01:12:55,505
AND THE NEXT DAY, LITERALLY,

2733
01:12:55,505 --> 01:12:56,706
I GOT "XENA."

2734
01:12:56,706 --> 01:12:57,674
TWO DAYS LATER, I'M IN NEW

2735
01:12:57,674 --> 01:12:59,075
ZEALAND, AND THAT WAS SORT OF

2736
01:12:59,075 --> 01:13:00,109
THE BEGINNING OF THE ROLE.

2737
01:13:00,143 --> 01:13:01,645
IT CAME THE DAY AFTER I WENT,

2738
01:13:01,645 --> 01:13:03,012
"ALL RIGHT.

2739
01:13:03,012 --> 01:13:03,980
MANUAL LABOR.

2740
01:13:03,980 --> 01:13:06,450
HERE'S MY PRIDE, TAKE IT.

2741
01:13:06,450 --> 01:13:07,451
I NEED A PAYCHECK."

2742
01:13:07,484 --> 01:13:08,918
>> WHAT I HAVE ACHIEVED IS AN

2743
01:13:08,918 --> 01:13:12,622
ENORMOUS SUCCESS THAT, IF

2744
01:13:12,622 --> 01:13:16,426
I WERE A LAWYER, I MAY NOT BE

2745
01:13:16,426 --> 01:13:18,728
F. LEE BAILEY, BUT I COULD BE

2746
01:13:18,728 --> 01:13:21,097
A REALLY SUCCESSFUL LAWYER,

2747
01:13:21,097 --> 01:13:22,699
AND EVERYONE DOESN'T HAVE TO

2748
01:13:22,699 --> 01:13:24,133
NECESSARILY KNOW MY NAME.

2749
01:13:24,167 --> 01:13:26,436
IF WE WERE IN ANY OTHER FIELD,

2750
01:13:26,436 --> 01:13:27,203
THERE WOULD BE NO DOUBT ABOUT

2751
01:13:27,203 --> 01:13:28,071
IT.

2752
01:13:28,071 --> 01:13:29,873
IT'S JUST THAT BECAUSE HOLLYWOOD

2753
01:13:29,873 --> 01:13:32,942
HAS THIS SELF-ADORATION THING

2754
01:13:32,942 --> 01:13:35,845
THAT WE ONLY REVERE THAT TOP

2755
01:13:35,845 --> 01:13:40,650
0.10% THAT WE FORGET THERE'S

2756
01:13:40,650 --> 01:13:42,185
A WHOLE COMMUNITY OF SOLID

2757
01:13:42,185 --> 01:13:44,754
WORKING PROFESSIONALS WHO ALSO

2758
01:13:44,754 --> 01:13:45,722
HELP TO KEEP THIS INDUSTRY

2759
01:13:45,722 --> 01:13:46,590
TOGETHER.

2760
01:13:46,590 --> 01:13:47,891
AND I THINK I'M ONE OF THEM.

2761
01:13:47,891 --> 01:13:48,825
>> IT'S LIKE WHEN YOU GO TO

2762
01:13:48,825 --> 01:13:49,826
ACTING SCHOOL, THEY'RE ONLY--THE

2763
01:13:49,826 --> 01:13:50,760
ONLY ROLES THEY EVER GIVE YOU TO

2764
01:13:50,760 --> 01:13:52,161
WORK ON ARE THE STARRING ROLES

2765
01:13:52,161 --> 01:13:53,797
IN THE MOST DRAMATIC EMOTIONAL

2766
01:13:53,797 --> 01:13:56,165
SCENES AMONG THOSE IN THAT PLAY.

2767
01:13:56,165 --> 01:13:58,835
NOBODY EVER GIVES--NOBODY

2768
01:13:58,835 --> 01:14:01,638
EVER SEEMS TO GO TO WORK ON, HOW

2769
01:14:01,638 --> 01:14:02,872
DO YOU HELP TELL THE STORY?

2770
01:14:02,872 --> 01:14:03,873
WHAT'S THIS CHARACTER DO TO

2771
01:14:03,873 --> 01:14:05,008
HELP TELL THE STORY?

2772
01:14:05,008 --> 01:14:07,210
>> YOU KNOW, I DIDN'T THINK

2773
01:14:07,210 --> 01:14:10,013
I WAS LEADING MAN MATERIAL.

2774
01:14:10,013 --> 01:14:11,515
I DIDN'T THINK I WAS ROMANTIC

2775
01:14:11,515 --> 01:14:13,116
LEAD MATERIAL, BUT I THOUGHT

2776
01:14:13,116 --> 01:14:14,217
THERE WERE PLENTY OF PARTS

2777
01:14:14,217 --> 01:14:15,952
THAT WERE INTERESTING OUT THERE

2778
01:14:15,952 --> 01:14:17,020
FOR ME.

2779
01:14:17,020 --> 01:14:18,522
>> I DON'T--I'M NOT A, YOU

2780
01:14:18,522 --> 01:14:20,223
KNOW, HANDSOME GUY, AND I'M NOT

2781
01:14:20,223 --> 01:14:22,792
A, YOU KNOW, I DON'T HAVE--I'M

2782
01:14:22,792 --> 01:14:23,993
A JOURNEYMAN ACTOR.

2783
01:14:23,993 --> 01:14:24,894
I'M A CHARACTER GUY.

2784
01:14:24,894 --> 01:14:27,731
AND, YOU KNOW, PROBABLY I'M

2785
01:14:27,731 --> 01:14:28,598
NEVER GOING TO, YOU KNOW,

2786
01:14:28,598 --> 01:14:30,534
HAVE A BIG MOVIE CAREER OR

2787
01:14:30,534 --> 01:14:32,201
YOU KNOW, GET THE LEAD ON SOME

2788
01:14:32,201 --> 01:14:33,202
BIG TV SHOW.

2789
01:14:33,202 --> 01:14:34,504
IT'S JUST NOT WHO I AM.

2790
01:14:34,504 --> 01:14:35,204
>> YOU DO THIS KIND OF WORK

2791
01:14:35,204 --> 01:14:36,640
BECAUSE YOU LOVE IT.

2792
01:14:36,640 --> 01:14:39,909
BUT TO BE HONEST, IT'S WHAT

2793
01:14:39,909 --> 01:14:40,777
I DO.

2794
01:14:40,777 --> 01:14:42,011
IT'S WHAT I SAID I WAS GOING

2795
01:14:42,011 --> 01:14:43,513
TO DO SINCE I WAS A KID.

2796
01:14:43,513 --> 01:14:45,615
>> NOTHING EVER HAPPENED THAT

2797
01:14:45,615 --> 01:14:47,817
WAS SO DEVASTATING THAT MADE ME

2798
01:14:47,817 --> 01:14:48,885
SAY, "SCREW THIS."

2799
01:14:48,885 --> 01:14:51,788
>> IF YOU GIVE UP, THEN I'VE

2800
01:14:51,788 --> 01:14:52,722
GIVEN UP NOT ONLY FOR ME BUT

2801
01:14:52,722 --> 01:14:53,857
FOR ALL THOSE OTHER, YOU KNOW,

2802
01:14:53,857 --> 01:14:55,592
POOR KIDS WHO LOOK LIKE ME AND

2803
01:14:55,592 --> 01:14:57,861
HAVEN'T--HAVEN'T COME HERE YET.

2804
01:14:57,861 --> 01:14:59,228
YOU KNOW, PEOPLE I'VE--SOME

2805
01:14:59,228 --> 01:15:00,229
OF THE BEST LETTERS I'VE

2806
01:15:00,229 --> 01:15:02,031
RECEIVED FAN MAIL-WISE ARE

2807
01:15:02,031 --> 01:15:04,267
FROM KIDS IN--ALL OVER THE

2808
01:15:04,267 --> 01:15:05,735
COUNTRY WHO SAY, "YOU KNOW, MR.

2809
01:15:05,735 --> 01:15:07,837
WORTHY, I'M 8 YEARS OLD.

2810
01:15:07,837 --> 01:15:08,738
I'M 9 YEARS OLD.

2811
01:15:08,738 --> 01:15:09,606
I'M 12 YEARS OLD.

2812
01:15:09,606 --> 01:15:10,574
I JUST SAW YOU ON SO AND SO'S

2813
01:15:10,574 --> 01:15:11,240
SHOW.

2814
01:15:11,240 --> 01:15:12,141
ONE DAY I WOULD LOVE TO BE AN

2815
01:15:12,141 --> 01:15:13,877
ACTOR LIKE YOU," YOU KNOW.

2816
01:15:13,877 --> 01:15:14,811
AND TO ME, THAT MEANS MORE THAN

2817
01:15:14,811 --> 01:15:16,546
WHAT ANY CRITIC COULD WRITE

2818
01:15:16,546 --> 01:15:17,781
ABOUT ANYTHING I'VE EVER DONE

2819
01:15:17,781 --> 01:15:19,048
BECAUSE IT MEANS I'VE AFFECTED--

2820
01:15:19,048 --> 01:15:21,918
REACHED--CONNECTED WITH SOME

2821
01:15:21,918 --> 01:15:23,820
KID WHO HAS DREAMS.

2822
01:15:23,820 --> 01:15:25,321
>> I HAVE A LINE THAT I OFTEN

2823
01:15:25,321 --> 01:15:26,623
THOUGHT WOULD BE PERFECT

2824
01:15:26,623 --> 01:15:29,926
WHEN I GET SOME AWARD SOMEDAY,

2825
01:15:29,926 --> 01:15:30,994
WHICH WOULD BE, "I'D LIKE TO

2826
01:15:30,994 --> 01:15:32,061
THANK ALL THE PEOPLE WHO SAID

2827
01:15:32,061 --> 01:15:32,929
NO.

2828
01:15:32,962 --> 01:15:38,034
YOU MADE ME TRY SO MUCH HARDER."

2829
01:15:44,974 --> 01:15:46,275
>> IF I GOT OUT OF BUSINESS

2830
01:15:46,275 --> 01:15:49,946
TOMORROW, EVERYTHING I'VE--I'VE

2831
01:15:49,946 --> 01:15:51,347
TRIED TO ACCOMPLISH, I'VE DONE.

2832
01:15:51,347 --> 01:15:52,616
>> I'M A LITTLE KID.

2833
01:15:52,616 --> 01:15:53,349
EVERY TIME I GO TO THE MOVIES,

2834
01:15:53,349 --> 01:15:55,251
I GET MY POPCORN, AND I GET MY

2835
01:15:55,251 --> 01:15:56,886
M&Ms, AND I DUMP THE M&Ms ON

2836
01:15:56,886 --> 01:15:58,722
THE POPCORN, AND THEN SHAKE 'EM

2837
01:15:58,722 --> 01:15:59,756
UP.

2838
01:15:59,756 --> 01:16:00,924
>> WELL, I WISH I HAD A LITTLE

2839
01:16:00,924 --> 01:16:02,659
BUNGALOW OUT IN L.A.,

2840
01:16:02,659 --> 01:16:03,893
AND I COULD MAKE A LIVING DOING,

2841
01:16:03,893 --> 01:16:05,995
YOU KNOW, POP-UPS ON TV SHOWS

2842
01:16:05,995 --> 01:16:06,896
AND OCCASIONALLY BE IN A GREAT

2843
01:16:06,896 --> 01:16:07,764
MOVIE.

2844
01:16:07,764 --> 01:16:10,800
OH, THAT'S WHAT I HAVE.

2845
01:16:10,800 --> 01:16:12,368
>> IT'S FANTASTIC, AND I LAUGH

2846
01:16:12,368 --> 01:16:15,238
MY ASS OFF ALL DAY LONG,

2847
01:16:15,238 --> 01:16:18,141
SO MUCH SO THAT I'M AFRAID I'M

2848
01:16:18,141 --> 01:16:19,075
GONNA GET FIRED.

2849
01:16:19,075 --> 01:16:20,009
>> IF I HAD TO PICK A CATEGORY,

2850
01:16:20,009 --> 01:16:21,678
THAT'S WHAT I WOULD'VE PICKED

2851
01:16:21,678 --> 01:16:22,779
IN THE FIRST PLACE 'CAUSE

2852
01:16:22,779 --> 01:16:24,881
THAT WAS GOING TO HAVE

2853
01:16:24,881 --> 01:16:26,149
THE BEST SHOT OF SEEING YOU

2854
01:16:26,149 --> 01:16:27,016
THROUGH A LIFE.

2855
01:16:27,016 --> 01:16:29,819
>> I HAVE A GREAT FAMILY LIFE

2856
01:16:29,819 --> 01:16:32,221
AND A LOT OF TIME TO MYSELF

2857
01:16:32,221 --> 01:16:34,958
TO DO WHATEVER I WANT AND BE

2858
01:16:34,958 --> 01:16:37,827
WITH MY FAMILY, AND THEN I GET

2859
01:16:37,827 --> 01:16:38,995
TO WORK EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE.

2860
01:16:38,995 --> 01:16:39,863
>> I'M LUCKY.

2861
01:16:39,863 --> 01:16:41,765
I'M 75 SITTING HERE, AND I'M

2862
01:16:41,765 --> 01:16:42,666
STILL ALIVE.

2863
01:16:42,666 --> 01:16:43,733
AND WORKING.

2864
01:16:43,733 --> 01:16:45,301
I WAS WORKING YESTERDAY MORNING.

2865
01:16:45,301 --> 01:16:47,203
>> THIS IS WHAT I DO PRETTY

2866
01:16:47,203 --> 01:16:50,173
WELL, AND I ONLY HAVE SO MANY--

2867
01:16:50,173 --> 01:16:52,275
SO MUCH TIME ON THE PLANET,

2868
01:16:52,275 --> 01:16:54,410
MY JOB IS TO GIVE IT AWAY.

2869
01:16:54,410 --> 01:16:55,945
>> I DON'T NEED A BIG EGO.

2870
01:16:55,945 --> 01:16:57,346
AND ACTUALLY IT DOESN'T HELP ME.

2871
01:16:57,346 --> 01:16:59,415
I THINK MAYBE IF IT HELPED ME,

2872
01:16:59,415 --> 01:17:01,417
IF I NEEDED IT, I COULD--I

2873
01:17:01,417 --> 01:17:02,986
COULD FIND ONE.

2874
01:17:02,986 --> 01:17:03,987
>> IN THE MORNING, YOU'RE AN

2875
01:17:03,987 --> 01:17:04,854
OPTIMIST.

2876
01:17:04,854 --> 01:17:05,755
IN THE AFTERNOON, YOU'RE A

2877
01:17:05,755 --> 01:17:06,422
PESSIMIST.

2878
01:17:06,422 --> 01:17:07,691
IN THE EVENING, YOU KNOW, YOU

2879
01:17:07,691 --> 01:17:09,058
GET SOME SUNDOWN SYNDROME,

2880
01:17:09,058 --> 01:17:11,260
AND YOU'RE A REALLY DARK

2881
01:17:11,260 --> 01:17:12,295
CHARACTER, BUT IN THE MORNING,

2882
01:17:12,295 --> 01:17:13,229
YOU WAKE UP, AND YOU'RE THE

2883
01:17:13,229 --> 01:17:14,430
OPTIMIST AGAIN, YOU KNOW.

2884
01:17:14,430 --> 01:17:15,965
>> WHEN ACTING IS GOING WELL,

2885
01:17:15,965 --> 01:17:17,400
IT'S CERTAINLY A BUZZ, MAN.

2886
01:17:17,400 --> 01:17:19,268
IT'S A--IT'S A RUSH, YOU KNOW,

2887
01:17:19,268 --> 01:17:20,203
IF IT'S GOING WELL.

2888
01:17:20,203 --> 01:17:22,138
OFTEN IT'S NOT BUT--THEN, YOU

2889
01:17:22,138 --> 01:17:23,907
KNOW, YOU'RE IN HELL.

2890
01:17:23,907 --> 01:17:25,709
>> YOU CAN PLAY THE VILLAIN.

2891
01:17:25,709 --> 01:17:26,976
YOU CAN PLAY THE VICTIM.

2892
01:17:26,976 --> 01:17:27,877
YOU CAN PLAY THE DOCTOR,

2893
01:17:27,877 --> 01:17:29,278
THE LAWYER, THE INDIAN CHIEF.

2894
01:17:29,278 --> 01:17:30,413
YOU DON'T HAVE TO CARRY A

2895
01:17:30,413 --> 01:17:31,815
PICTURE, AND YOU CAN RAISE A

2896
01:17:31,815 --> 01:17:33,750
FAMILY IN THIS TOWN.

2897
01:17:33,750 --> 01:17:35,418
>> I ALWAYS WANTED TO EMULATE

2898
01:17:35,418 --> 01:17:39,322
MOLIERE BECAUSE HE DIED ONSTAGE.

2899
01:17:39,322 --> 01:17:40,456
THAT HAPPENED TO ME, IT WOULD BE

2900
01:17:40,456 --> 01:17:41,424
PERFECT.

2901
01:17:41,424 --> 01:17:42,358
I HOPE I TELL A REALLY

2902
01:17:42,358 --> 01:17:43,727
GOOD JOKE AND THEN DIE.

2903
01:17:43,727 --> 01:17:44,794
[laughs]

2904
01:17:44,794 --> 01:17:45,895
>> IT'S JUST NOW COMING TO ME

2905
01:17:45,895 --> 01:17:47,263
THAT, "YEAH, THIS IS SOMETHING

2906
01:17:47,263 --> 01:17:48,732
THAT I'VE DONE MY WHOLE LIFE,

2907
01:17:48,732 --> 01:17:50,266
40 YEARS ALMOST NOW, COMING UP

2908
01:17:50,266 --> 01:17:51,134
ON."

2909
01:17:51,134 --> 01:17:52,468
>> JUST--I DON'T EVEN WANT TO

2910
01:17:52,468 --> 01:17:53,336
THINK ABOUT ANYTHING.

2911
01:17:53,336 --> 01:17:56,672
I JUST GO AND BE THAT GUY.

2912
01:17:57,741 --> 01:18:02,746
[upbeat music]

2913
01:18:06,716 --> 01:18:11,487
[indistinct chatter]

2914
01:18:11,487 --> 01:18:12,421
>> HEY, MAN.

2915
01:18:12,421 --> 01:18:14,457
GOOD TO SEE YOU.